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2003-11-19 05:18:48 PM
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on this (if I can find the time...)
 

"Kathire" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
C++Builder X and wxWindows. wxWindows is old, uses macros, isn't
exception safe, doesn't use std::string, etc. Their wxWindows designer
preview isn't VCL, doesn't support all wxWindows components, doesn't
support sizers (? not sure about this one), is a preview, etc.
Now Kathire has come out with this designer, and although I haven't
tried it, it appears as though it has many or all of the same issues.
Yet people seem to be lining up to try it and even help with its
development. And in some cases, I think it's the same people supporting
this one who criticized wxWindows in C++Builder X.
So you've got me curious. What are the critical differences between
this project and Borland's wxWindows preview that make it so much more
attractive? Are there things Borland could do that would make wxWindows
in CBX equally useful?
Mostly I'm just wondering, but if you can come up with some specific
suggestions maybe it can influence CBX in a positive way.
--
Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)
 

"Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)" wrote:
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communication. We just don't know what Borland is doing. I can't even get
the preview to do test work for Borland and/or comment on it without paying
a substantional amount of money.
Peter
 

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"Gillmer J. Derge \(TeamB\)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
If Borland's official continuation path for VCL is
wxWindows, we might as well kick the tires and check it out.
I'm grateful to Kathire for initiating this effort rather
than just waiting for Borland. People who want to help and
have initiative are the salt of the earth.
That way, if Borland really is able to transform wxWindows
into something approaching VCL, at least we'll have a bit
of experience and knowledge.
 

Gillmer,
I have no interest in wxWindows in its current state regardless of who
makes the designer. But one big advantage of an open source designer is
transparency of intentions and efforts. People feel more in control.
Now, if an open source project's contributor list dwindles it
effectively can be abandoned. So a judgement has to be made as to how
many people given open source project needs in order to be viable and
how many people will likely work on it long term. Open source with
volunteer workers is hardly a panacea. If it was then wxWindows wouldn't
have so many limitations in the first place.
I wonder how hard it would be to make an open source VCL designer...
Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB) wrote:

Randall Parker wrote:
in CBX has an OpenTool interface, then it should easily be possible.
The problem at the moment would be that opentools must be written in
java so you would basically need to write a java interface to the vcl
code generated by bcb but would probably be a one off set of classes
that call c dlls to load the bpls and get the components, properties and
methods etc.
Cheers
Russell
 

Doug Tinkham wrote:
available for download for use with the trial version (not sure about
personal) but no-one has said when.
will be academic pricing for CBX so when its ready :) you should be able
to get it.
Russell
 

"Gillmer J. Derge \(TeamB\)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
If you look at the current wxDesigner projects, almost all of them are written in some crossplatform C++ framework. But I started working on this project with my beloved Delphi and I want to have a feel of Delphi IDE even if I have to work with wxWindows. I hope borland will make my dream come true by designing a great wxwindows designer.
-G Kathire
 

"Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message>
picture of it on a movie.
I'm also not going to pay $1500 dollars for it. If it is made available for
the personal edition, great, but I doubt it ever really be available for the
personal edition. As for wxWindows, I don't know enough about it to criticize
it, except that from what I've seen I'm not going to use it unless there is a
good designer for it.
Do you think the final X-platform designer will be available for a CBX
version that I can get at an academic price of approx. $199, which is about
what I got BCB6 for? Hopefully I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Doug
 

"Doug Tinkham" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
all SKU's. In JBuilder, all UI design features are part of Personal. I
think they'd have a hard time rationalizing UI design as an "Enterprise"
feature.
above. I don't have any special top-secret insight on this. :-)
--
Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)
 

"Russell Hind" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
what Borland could do to make wxWindows in CBX equally useful to the designer
posted by Kathire. The first thing they could do would be make it available
without having to pay $1500 (or whatever the devel. cost is). I like Borland,
I do not criticize Borland, I have bought BCB5 and BCB6, and frankly I would
like to stick with Borland. But Borland has now offered the ability to go
X-platform, and I have a big interested in doing that RIGHT NOW, but without
a designer, I need to look elsewhere for a designer, and the basic format of
the designer proposed by Kathire is very appealling.
Further, I would like to stick with Borland when they come out with the new
designer, but I frankly cannot afford to buy a deverloper version (I make no
money from the applications I build, and don't intend on trying to do so).
So, if the proposed designer is really completed, it offers a lot to me that
I currently can't get from Borland. So to answer the question posed by
Gillmer, I think they could start by offering a CBX version with a complete
designer that is priced in the same ballpark as BCB6 was. I worry that IF the
preview designer is ever available for download, that when the next version
of CBX comes out with the finalized designer, that either the personal
edition won't have the designer at all, or that the personal edition will
have the finalized designer, but the academic price will be on the order of
$599 instead of $199. I hope I am wrong.
Doug
 

G.B.R. wrote:
Mark
 

"Mark Di Nicola" <don' XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
 

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:16:20 +0000, Russell Hind < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
wrote:
thread), Borland's wx RAD designer is a separate program that
communicates with the IDE using web services and SOAP and the VCL
designer will do this too.
Can Java programs call functions in Windows dll's ??? - how does that
work?
Graeme
 

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:58:55 +1300, Graeme Prentice
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
using JNI I guess ... ok, but the web services method would have the
advantage that if the (third party) designer crashes, the IDE isn't
affected and all the source code and component information etc.
doesn't get lost.