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Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued


2004-08-02 04:09:38 PM
cppbuilder8
Here is my paranoid explanation:
For many years Borland added value to the Windows platform. Microsoft
supported Borland by not giving away Visual Studio for free.
Then one day Borland offered a way to reuse all the VCL applications and the
existing know-how under Linux - a sensation. This happened while Linux is
about to gain desktop market shares, and Microsoft is building Longhorn,
the ultimative world domination software.
So Microsoft politely asked Borland to stop the native product line VCL/CLX.
Why should Borland agree? Because VS could be distributed for free and
maybe there were also hidden incentives. Microsoft never attempted to be
very ethical to achiev business goals.
This is the paranoid explanation of a man who is trying to understand why
Borland ruined the investment of people who supported the company for so
many years. The native product line is not profitable anymore? Fine, it
would be in the best interest of Borland to release discontinued products
as open source because the majority of customers who crashed against the
wall are not going to touch Borland tools again. However this is not going
to happen either.
What do you think? A case for SEC and the antitrust division or paranoid
fantasies?
Regards
Roland Wolf
 
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Interesting theory. However, I personally think that Borland were quite
dumb enough to ditch their native product lines (VCL under Win32, CLX under
Linux) without any "help" from Microsoft. :-)
But your comments did suggest a slight variation on your theory. It might
be that when Borland decided to bring out Kylix and offer existing VCL
developers a migration path to Linux, this is what got Microsoft pissed and
made them decide to shoot Borland by virtually giving away VS.NET. But if
this is so, why did Microsoft wait so long after the launch of Kylix? And
are there really enough Kylix developers to make Microsoft care? Nahh --
scratch that theory too. ;-)
A far more credible theory is that
Borland...errr....Inprise....err.....Borland really are stupid enough to
shoot themselves in the foot....time after time after time. They don't need
any help at all from Microsoft. Did Microsoft introduce the new Express
VS.NET stuff in order to put the final nail in Borland's coffin? In my
opinion, no. They did it because they want more .NET developers. I really
doubt that they were thinking about Borland at all. Take a look at the pic
below. Poor Bill has to prop his chin up with hand just to keep from
falling asleep..... :-)
www.ftponline.com/reports/vslivesf/2004/photos/pages/09Gates-Hall-2.h
tm
Dave
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Why, oh, why, everybody seems to think that MS is pissed at everybody who
works for Linux?
People, MS is a company that works hard for their products and they can
certainly work and don't be so worried about a half-working OS in the
desktop arena....
"Dave Jewell" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
 

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Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

El Lobo wrote:
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Why, oh, why, everybody seems to think that MS is pissed at everybody who
works for Linux?
They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become a
stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)
I have still to risk allowing updates on my Windows machines since the
last time they trashed a working system :)
--
Lester Caine
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L.S.Caine Electronic Services
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

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They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become a
stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)

I have still to risk allowing updates on my Windows machines since the
last time they trashed a working system :)
The last time I had problems with Windows Update was on Windows 98 when I
was on dialup, during their IE4->5 update that killed IE stonedead and was
unfixable.
G.
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Really?
then why, oh why would they legally pursue a company in legal court
all over the world that was selling a Desktop Linux?
They sued in the US, judgment: against uSoft.
They sue most everywhere else: judgment: against uSoft.
The ONLY place they succeed is in countries where the company
was not aware they were being sued, like Belgium.
The company? well, it was called Lindows. Now, after a settlement, it's
called Linspire.
www.linspire.com
"El Lobo" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Why, oh, why, everybody seems to think that MS is pissed at everybody who
works for Linux?
People, MS is a company that works hard for their products and they can
certainly work and don't be so worried about a half-working OS in the
desktop arena....

"Dave Jewell" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news:410e18b1$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...


 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

"Lester Caine" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote
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They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become a
stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)
:-))
Dave
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Lester Caine wrote:
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They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become
a stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)
Windows is already a stable desktop platform. NT4 was usually stable
unless you monkeyed around with hardware configurataion and now both
Win2K and WinXP can handle that (although XP adds an unwelcome
licensing quirk).
Anyone who finds either Win2K or WinXP unstable needs to sort their
hardware out.
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote:
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>They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become
>a stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)

Anyone who finds either Win2K or WinXP unstable needs to sort their
hardware out.
Or install W2k/SP4 - left FOUR machines with their modems not working -
so I gave up and ended up wiping those machines to get SP3 back and
working machines.
Yes the modems - THREE different ISDN ones - are probably the problem,
but WHY should I have to s{*word*99} them just because Microsoft can't be
bothered to keep old hardware working. Four major applications also
failed, and had to be updated to get them working with SP4 - but I'm not
going to bother trying to test again - SP3 is sort of stable :)
WinXP has yet to even install on anything other than a brand new
machine, so our workstations are W98SE, and with IE wipped then they are
stable ;)
--
Lester Caine
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L.S.Caine Electronic Services
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Lester Caine wrote:
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WinXP has yet to even install on anything other than a brand new
machine, so our workstations are W98SE, and with IE wipped then they
are stable ;)
I have no idea why you are having such problems. I haven't tried
installing WinXP on any really old machines but we upgraded everything
in the office to XP and that includes some early Pentium systems. Had
to give them more RAM but that was all.
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

Dave Jewell wrote:
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"Lester Caine" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote

>They are not 'pissed off' just running scared that Linux will become a
>stable Desktop platform before Windows does ;)

:-))

Dave
and as far as servers are concerned, I wouldn't consider anything other than
Posix.
I always remeber my friend being pestered by a Microsoft salesmen some while
ago and in the end, he let him call. The salesmen was asking why he hadn't
bought windows for his servers and demanded a typical spec so he could
quote. My friend went through the various details and then said, O.K let's
look at the smaller server first, say oh ---- about 20 to 40 thousand
concurrent users. The Microsoft salesman went white and never came back
again.
:-))
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

"Lester Caine" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news:410e6488>
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Or install W2k/SP4 - left FOUR machines with their modems not working -
so I gave up and ended up wiping those machines to get SP3 back and
working machines.

Oh, and Linux is better supporting what..modems? Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

"Stephan" <ask me @ kilroy.wuz.here>wrote in message
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Really?
then why, oh why would they legally pursue a company in legal court
all over the world that was selling a Desktop Linux?
Definitly, no fear here. There is ZERO chances that my mother will EVER
change Windows to tweak in Linux etc directory. And as my mothere there
MILLIONS and BILLIONS of old people, non technical people etc who NEVER will
do that. So no fear here. Sorry
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

"Lester Caine" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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At least with Linux I get support. Those ISDN modems work on Linux and
W2kSP3 but the Microsoft answer for SP4 - change the modem - S0 YES ....

--
Something similer to this:
New kernel broke my nic module
groups.google.com/groups&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=3f843a8b%241_2%40nntp2.nac.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dnew%2Bkernel%2Bbroke
or
Subject: Re: Recompiling kernel broke a lot of module dependencies. What did
I do wrong?
groups.google.com/groups&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8FADF9CD7a8s9d9g82jmc08s83%4024.94.163.122&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dnew%2Bkernel%2Bbroke
or maybe
Upgraded kernel, broke X
groups.google.com/groups&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=q8HB7.366%24S46.437804%40news.uswest.net&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dnew%2Bkernel%2Bbroke
or
new kernel broke my scsi cdburner
groups.google.com/groups&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=pan.2002.08.09.06.25.04.47971.1343%40maddogsbreakfast.com.au&rnum=6&prev=/groups%3Fsourceid%3Dnavclient%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dnew%2Bkernel%2Bbroke
Should I go on?
 

Re:Why Builder and Kylix was discontinued

El Lobo wrote:
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>Or install W2k/SP4 - left FOUR machines with their modems not working -
>so I gave up and ended up wiping those machines to get SP3 back and
>working machines.

Oh, and Linux is better supporting what..modems? Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
At least with Linux I get support. Those ISDN modems work on Linux and
W2kSP3 but the Microsoft answer for SP4 - change the modem - S0 YES ....
--
Lester Caine
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L.S.Caine Electronic Services