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Re: Why Run Linux?


2003-10-10 07:19:44 AM
cppbuilder103
Oh. It was a US warship....
We had a similar problem with the Royal Navy. It was a frigate. That had to
go back to Scotland for the engineer to spend 2 hours fixing the problem.
Rhys Sage.
www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk for
code snippets and software downloads.
"Benny Hill" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:05:04 -0400, Ed Mulroy [TeamB] wrote:

"The engineer decided he was not dealing with rational people [the U.S.
government]"

Thanks, I got a good chuckle out of that!

--
Benny
Remove your rose colored glasses before e-mailing me

 
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

David Erbas-White < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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I'm just curious.

Why, in a newsgroup devoted to a Windows product, that does not run on
Linux, when there is a lot of worry about the Windows aspect of said
product, are the TeamB members who normally put a stop to such
off-topic conversation not only not stopping it but participating?
Hmmm... because Rudy out of town? Chris, Ed and Alex almost never acts
as moderators. You need to push things really far for getting a
warning. They always participate on discussions of this kind, with
almost the same arguments repeated again and again, BTW :-)
There is no {*word*97} here.
[snip]
--
Oscar
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

The main reason is that Linux is much safer (security-wise) than Windows.
I would like here to quote a point made by Sebastion Ledesma:
========================================================
"Did you read the pages of Symantec Security Response (or whatever) of any
virus trojan etc, that says:
Systems Affected: Windows 2000, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me,
Windows NT, Windows XP
Systems Not Affected: Linux, Macintosh, OS/2, UNIX"
Sebastian
========================================================
Rodolfo
"Thomas Maeder [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Dennis Jones" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:

>The reason viruses don't plague Linux isn't because it is such a great
OS
>that it doesn't let them through. Viruses don't plague Linux simply
because
>virus writers don't target Linux.

I think this is too strict. While it may be one reason (and IMHO, it is)
of
many, I don't believe it's the only reason.
 

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Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

FYI: The item in question was a PC running NT. It wasn't hot swappable. It
was a derivative of a commercial system used on cargo ships (a relatively
old system at that). Even cruise ships use redundant PC's.
Yes, PC's mostly running Win2K or NT are used as readouts. They are more
reliable and vastly cheaper than the terminals they replaced and can be
swapped out easily because they aren't embedded - just unplug the puppy and
plug in a new one.
. Ed
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Oscar Fuentes wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...

This surprises me. The Spanish Armada uses ships derived from
U.S. Navy models. At least for the electronics part, every critical
component must be hot-swapable: if it fails, you simply unplug it and
replace the board with a fresh one. Meanwhile, redundant systems keeps
things working. This is a requirement. No design is admitted without
that feature.

OTOH, on a recent TV program I've seen radar and weapon control
consoles that seemed Windows desktops. Maybe they have different
requirements for software.
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

I use the Mozilla project's Thunderbird client for email and newsgroup
reading. You can get it on Windows, Linux, OS/2, Sun, and other
operating systems.
www.mozilla.org for Mozilla, Firebird, Thunderbird, and other fun
stuff.
I used to use Gravity. Still fire it up occasionally.
Ed Mulroy [TeamB] wrote:
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I've never heard of Pan or Gravity. I use Outlook Express - seems to work.

 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Oscar Fuentes" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:

>That could be a real scenario, don't understimate it people could
>die because of it. One of the most stable OS's is, with no doubts,
>Linux

How many OS's do you have experience with?
Enough to find out that Linux is a better option. However I am not a Linux
fanatic
I just look at the facts, and Linux is becoming stronger all over the world.
Maybe there are better OS than Linux that I am not aware of, but Windows
is not one of them.
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>and in this regard has a huge advantage over the ill-designed
>Windows,

Do you know how Windows is designed?
No and I don't need to. Just by observing its behaviour I can tell (as any
other developer can)
how insecure/unreliable it is. This can only come from a bad design to begin
with.
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>specially in medical applications, nuclear power plants, and the
>like

Which power plant uses Linux for a critical role?
"Amerada Hess Corporation, a $6.6 billion oil company, recently replaced an
IBM SP2 supercomputer with a 32-node cluster of PCs running Linux. Amerada
Hess decided against using Windows NT because it would have required them to
re-write an application containing three million lines of code, an effort
that was judged to be impractical. The United States Postal Service bases
its optical character recognition system for reading mail nationwide on
6,000 computers running Linux. Linux was also found to be powerful and
reliable enough to power a supercomputer at the Los Alamos National
Laboratory. (Would you trust a nuclear lab that used Microsoft Windows to
control its equipment?) "
www.qsl.net/kd2bd/linux.html
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>I would like to quote here what Mr Organic posted in his reply to
Alisdair
>in the last few hours in a previous thread:

Do you really think that is necessary to re-post an entire message? It
is not enough saying things once?
I think is necessary for some people who either don't read it or
don't understand it. How do I know? well, just because of their answers.
Rodolfo
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

And these two examples is what it has been disclosed to the public. I reckon
there must have been many more NT crashes in Navy ships that we are not
aware of.
Rodolfo
"Rhys Sage" <No.Spam@ta>wrote in message
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Oh. It was a US warship....

We had a similar problem with the Royal Navy. It was a frigate. That had
to
go back to Scotland for the engineer to spend 2 hours fixing the problem.

--
Yours,

Rhys Sage.
www.sageworld.freeserve.co.uk for
code snippets and software downloads.
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"Benny Hill" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
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>On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 19:05:04 -0400, Ed Mulroy [TeamB] wrote:
>
>"The engineer decided he was not dealing with rational people [the U.S.
>government]"
>
>Thanks, I got a good chuckle out of that!
>
>--
>Benny
>Remove your rose colored glasses before e-mailing me
>


 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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>How many OS's do you have experience with?
Enough to find out that Linux is a better option. However I am not a
Linux fanatic
[snip]

>Do you know how Windows is designed?

No and I don't need to.
[snip]

>Which power plant uses Linux for a critical role?

"Amerada Hess Corporation, a $6.6 billion oil company,
[snip]
Linux was also found to be powerful and reliable enough to power a
supercomputer at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. (Would you
trust a nuclear lab that used Microsoft Windows to control its
equipment?) "
Nuclear lab != nuclear plant. That supercomputer probably does numeric
simulation, not real-time control of critical systems.
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>Do you really think that is necessary to re-post an entire message? It
>is not enough saying things once?

I think is necessary for some people who either don't read it or
don't understand it. How do I know? well, just because of their answers.
You say you are not a fanatic but expect that people will agree with
you despite your self-acknowledged ignorance about most of the topics
related with your "facts".
Please don't waste your time trying to convince me about anything. I'm
not the kind of person you can convince.
--
Oscar
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

Also about security issues relating nuclear power plants
www.snapgear.com/cs20020704.html
www.snapgear.org/faq.html
Rodolfo
"Oscar Fuentes" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:

>That could be a real scenario, don't understimate it people could
>die because of it. One of the most stable OS's is, with no doubts,
>Linux

How many OS's do you have experience with?

>and in this regard has a huge advantage over the ill-designed
>Windows,

Do you know how Windows is designed?

>specially in medical applications, nuclear power plants, and the
>like

Which power plant uses Linux for a critical role?

>I would like to quote here what Mr Organic posted in his reply to
Alisdair
>in the last few hours in a previous thread:

Do you really think that is necessary to re-post an entire message? It
is not enough saying things once?

[snip]

--
Oscar
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Oscar Fuentes" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:

>>How many OS's do you have experience with?

>Enough to find out that Linux is a better option. However I am not a
>Linux fanatic
[snip]
>
>>Do you know how Windows is designed?
>
>No and I don't need to.
[snip]
>
>>Which power plant uses Linux for a critical role?
>
>"Amerada Hess Corporation, a $6.6 billion oil company,
[snip]
>Linux was also found to be powerful and reliable enough to power a
>supercomputer at the Los Alamos National Laboratory. (Would you
>trust a nuclear lab that used Microsoft Windows to control its
>equipment?) "

Nuclear lab != nuclear plant. That supercomputer probably does numeric
simulation, not real-time control of critical systems.
See my other post
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>>Do you really think that is necessary to re-post an entire message? It
>>is not enough saying things once?
>
>I think is necessary for some people who either don't read it or
>don't understand it. How do I know? well, just because of their answers.

You say you are not a fanatic but expect that people will agree with
you despite your self-acknowledged ignorance about most of the topics
related with your "facts".

Please don't waste your time trying to convince me about anything. I'm
not the kind of person you can convince.
That's probably because of "my self-acknowledged ignorance about most of
the topics
related with my "facts"" as you said and also because of your ego.
There are facts such as security issues with the Windows OS's that are well
known
by most experts in security who know much more than you and me about this
topic.
So this is one of my facts that you will probably not accept simply because
of your ego. My advice to you is get off the egocentric horse you ride and
start being
more realistic.
Having said that I have to tell you that I am not trying to convince you
since I don't really
give a damn whether you like Linux or not, or whether you agree with me or
not. I was
expressing my point as I replied to your post.
Rodolfo
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

Rodolfo Frino wrote:
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And these two examples is what it has been disclosed to the public. I reckon
there must have been many more NT crashes in Navy ships that we are not
aware of.

Rodolfo

You didn't know that NT stands for "Navy Technology", did you? <G>
David Erbas-White
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

LOL!
Rodolfo
"David Erbas-White" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Rodolfo Frino wrote:

>And these two examples is what it has been disclosed to the public. I
reckon
>there must have been many more NT crashes in Navy ships that we are not
>aware of.
>
>Rodolfo
>


You didn't know that NT stands for "Navy Technology", did you? <G>

David Erbas-White

 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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Also about security issues relating nuclear power plants
www.snapgear.com/cs20020704.html
A failure on that would cause a simple annoyance, not a catastrophe.
It is not necessary to be a nuclear engineer to see that the thing
described there doesn't play a critical role, security-wise. Noting
that they run the thing through the Internet would be enough to show
you that.
Quote
www.snapgear.org/faq.html
I see nothing there related to our topic.
--
Oscar
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
[snip]
Rodolfo,
You don't get it.
I'm a Linux user. I prefer Linux over Windows for my work. If Windows
is bearable to me, is thanks to Cygwin and Emacs.
It's just that I have a problem with those who goes around proclaiming
"The Absolute Truth was revealed to me! Save your soul! Join the Religion!".
That's all ;-)
--
Oscar
 

Re:Re: Why Run Linux?

"Oscar Fuentes" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Rodolfo Frino" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:

[snip]

Rodolfo,

You don't get it.

I'm a Linux user. I prefer Linux over Windows for my work. If Windows
is bearable to me, is thanks to Cygwin and Emacs.

It's just that I have a problem with those who goes around proclaiming
"The Absolute Truth was revealed to me! Save your soul! Join the
Religion!".
I think you must be confused with some fanatic priest from some other
newsgroup.
I am not preaching any Absolute Truth, there are no absolute thruths in
technology.
The "thruth" about Linux it is been revealed to new users every day around
the clock,
around the world by their own personal experiences. Even in this thread I
learnt many aspects
of Linux from other posters. Try to be a bit more humble and learn, as I do,
from other
people in these newsgroups.
Rodolfo