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2004-11-02 07:23:07 AM
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"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
 

Hi Gillmer,
i think you missed the point. If i'm going into a restaurant to get me and
my friends a pizza and the pizza guy tells me that i can't get one because
i have to wait until Dec. 15th because he's got to make up his mind if
he'll be selling pizzas at all anymore, i think this restaurant is just the
right place to discuss alternatives.
Cheers
Gunnar
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote:

"Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
We are only discussing alternatives due to Borland's (in)actions, as ex BCB
users ( hence the use of this group).
I don't think anyone is out to *deliberatly* harm Borlands business
interests, or even if it is possible to do more harm
to Borland's business than they have themselves.
Could you please tell me why you think that most people who do not agree
with your opinion on this subject are "doing so mostly just to be
argumentative"
TIA,
Dave
 

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Hi Gillmer,
i think you _really_ miss the point about whats going on here. Borland is
the only one who's being harmfull to their own business.
Can't you guys understand that we (the BCB customers) have invested
thousands of dollars, men-years and much more into using BCB and that
Borlands business practices (not updating/bugfixing its product line,
promising open letters for years, that never appear etc.) really annoys us
and is doing harm to OUR business?
And all you guys think is we are harmfull to their business? Men, thats the
weirdest thing i've _ever_ heard. A fight with your customer is a fight you
can NEVER win!
Cheers
Gunnar
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote:

Personally i think the TeamB guys are doing harm to Borlands business. Not
only that Borland doesn't support their long time BCB customers any more,
now we're even not allowed to talk about what we can do now to keep our
businesses alive any more. Wow, what a perfect example of a sinking ship...
Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) wrote:

Hi Gillmer,
all we talked about was wxWidgets and Eclipse, both being open source
products available for free...
Cheers
Gunnar
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote:

David Cameron wrote:
you shouldn't come on Borland's newsgroups that Borland is paying for
and say, "I don't want to buy Borland products. Can you help me?" I
can see how people might think under the circumstances that it's
borderline rather than over the line (maybe they're right), but some of
the responses sound to me like they're making the claim that it's not
even close to the line. Some of the responses almost seem like people
think it's absurd to suggest that this discussion be taken elsewhere.
That seems unreasonable to me, and since I choose to believe that most
people are reasonable, I wonder whether they're really fully behind what
they're writing.
--
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB]
 

"Gunnar Beushausen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote...
 

"Gunnar Beushausen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote ...
TeamB guys).
accussation.
 

Hi Gillmer,
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB] wrote:
products". The thing is we all want to buy a new BCB version really really
bad. The problem we have is that there isn't one available and Borland
doesn't even tell us if there will be a new version at all, for more than a
year.
Cheers
Gunnar
 

"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
 

Gunnar Beushausen wrote:
said he didn't want to buy any more Borland products. He then asked
if there were any other RAD products out there. Clearly inappropriate.
 

Hi Paul,
Paul Gustavson wrote:
wich i was doing BCB based software development. I've already had enough
problems to keep them calm because of the situation BCB is into for the
last few months.
He was lurking this newsgroup and told me now that one can't even talk
freely about alternatives (after the uncertainty Borland all put us in for
more than a year) this really was enough for them and they would go into
MSVC developlent wich i can't do. Another customer lost, thank you guys!
Cheers
Gunnar
 

Paul Gustavson wrote:
Borland has done more in the last year and a half to harm its own C++
business than any of us could do in a few newsgroup threads. In general
the C++ customers Borland has that are still passionate enough to hang
out on these newsgroups are one of the positive, non-harmful things
Borland's C++ business has going for it.
Nonetheless, the bottom line is that Jeff politely asked that the
discussion be moved elsewhere. You might disagree with him. I don't.
Either way, the unfortunate and possibly unfair reality is that he/we
get to make that call. We try to be fairly evenhanded and reasonable
about making those decisions, and I think we generally do a good job
with it if you look at the newsgroup(s) as a whole and don't just focus
on the one or two discussions that you have a personal emotional
investment in.
--
Gillmer J. Derge [TeamB]
 

the borland.public.delphi.thirdpartytools.general since this is a delphi
built app. (Although, personally, I am glad I was made aware of it here!)
here are within those bounds (i.e. C++Builder developer focused on the
future). For instance, I see nothing wrong with being aware of the
alternatives, while still being very much interested in Borland rebounding
and recommitting to BCB. Of course, as many of you know, a BCB update would
be my preference -- may BCB prevail come Dec 15! But, just incase, one
should always have a contingency plan.