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2004-11-18 01:58:23 AM
cppbuilder69
terrific IDE. I'm talking generically about development IDEs not just
C++ ides.
If you don't know what a master/detail relationship is then you dont do
database work so I can see why you wouldn't see the benefit of delphi.
TDataset is arguably the best part of delphi.
BTW design time development doesn't just apply to GUIS. You can build
remoteable objects, dataset servers, web services, asp.net using point
and click design time components. Do you want to hand code a soap
interface or do you want to import a WSDL def?
 

install office XP.
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
background compiling since forever! Actually, I launch several
compiling sessions at the same time quite often.
better than any other tool I know checking syntax.
right?
the problem grows on complexity, the percentage gain grows.
--
Oscar
 

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Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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than the code-completion provided by the C++-centric IDEs I know
(Borland && MSVC++).
[snip]
BTW, you missed the "feature" that you use Emacs the same way for
almost every programming language out there. This is a *big* win for
those who work on multi-language environments.
[snip]
--
Oscar
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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You're right, I don't do a lot of database work. I've programmed one
of our internal applications that talks to postgresql, but that's about
it for database work.
ideas at the whiteboard.
RAD is just gui to me, though I know there are other things that
Delphi/BCB offers. Since the components are written in Delphi,
they're not terribly useful to me on linux. I work more closely to
the wire, and deal with networking and internal application
development (client/server).
No IDE really helps there. As for refactoring, I've never used that
and can't really comment how/if it would help me. Probably it would,
but simple factoring out common code into a subroutine is awfully
easy. The real help I could use in refactoring is for the hard
projects, but no ide can help there. For example, reworking the
entire innards of a system, not just little poking at the code.)
The "remotable objects" I work with are pure CORBA.
--
Chris (TeamB);
 

about things like in visual studio 2003 where its constantly background
compiling your app and even underlines your syntax errors and you can
flyover the highlight to get a detailed error message.
need to do a lot of coding and dont require the IDE features.
apps I wouldn't even consider delphi for.
But for small to medium size database based apps, Nothing can compare.
What it comes down to is it depends on what type of project you are
building as to how much an IDE can benefit you.
 

80% of my work right now is palm programming so i'm pretty familiar with
my editor being my "design time" :) I spend an inordinate amount of
time doing coding to support the GUI that if I had a real IDE with a
real Framework could be cut by a factor of 10. It's not like the GUI is
trivial in most apps.
I'd have to agree that for the most part you benefit the most from GUI
development in an IDE and that as a project grows the design time stuff
can offer less and less. I'm not a huge proponent in general of having
to map everything back to relational structures. But you can develop
stuff so fast with databound controls...
I do think that ECOII type frameworks may boost productivity 10 fold and
don't force you to make everything relational.

Oscar Fuentes < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
the exact same editor, same key bindings, same window. I don't do
well when every task requires using different keys to do the same
operations. :)
And the spell checker and dictionary (using dict.org) come in
handy surprisingly often.
--
Chris (TeamB);
 

Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
it. Switching from-to BCB/Outlook/Word/chat etc is a nightmare. People
ends using the least common denominator of text edition, just to save
their sanity.
checking on code comments.
--
Oscar
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
the editor in its entirety while it's doing a build.
BCB used to do only foreground compiles, making the IDE unusable until
the build finished. They then added the ability to run it in the
background, but the editor becomes quirky when that happens, and the
build is significantly slower.
that automatically, at least not by default. You could make it do
background continuous builds, but it seems like a waste. Getting the
live errors to flow back to the editor would be both hard and
annoying. While I'm typing, my code generally doesn't compile
anyway.
code, etc. It's *very* good. Most IDEs and code reformatters have
far fewer options. A few years ago I looked at about 15 different
products with the intent of having a "standard" format for code in the
version control repository. Part of the check-in process would be to
standardize the format of the code. When you checkout code, it would
automatically re-indent to your own standard. That way we don't have
to dictate how code is formatted.
However, nothing was good enough to do what I wanted. Most only
allowed meager customizations to the indenting. Do curly braces
dangle at the end of a line or go on the next line? How far in should
they go? Etc. But that's about it. The curly braces are all
considered the same, regardless of whether they're part of a
namespace, function, class, for loop, or whatever. Emacs allows this
kind of fine-granular customization. For example, we do not indent
code inside a namespace, or else everhthing would be off the right
edge of the screen. But we do want other things indented, and can do
that.
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Chris (TeamB);
 

I didn't realize emacs could do code completion. Does it just parse C++
I guess? Does that work with python too?
 

Can emacs generate a make file? Thats another annoyance of mine. I
don't like having to modify make files.
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
build and be able to keep editing and browsing code at the same time.
incomplete. This feature seems a total nonsense to me.
forget some puntuation, things starts to look very odd on the
screen. Say, for instance, when you forget the final semicolon at the
end of a class or struct definition. With BCB, that happens to me all
the time. Never since I use Emacs.
viewer. UltraEdit, although a very good editor by Windows standards,
is extremely primitive when compared against Emacs (no, I don't want
to start a flamewar, just stating an evidence :-)
editors. BCB, in principle, is ok for hard-code C++ stuff. There, you
gain very little from the "RAD" BCB provides. A good editor, something
that offers the least resistance between your thoughs and the
expression of your thoughs, is the real time-saver.
BTW, I use Emacs for editing the GUI parts of my BCB projects. Only
use the IDE when I need to do some non-trivial modification to a form.
hard-core way is the most profitable to me. And I was a Delphi/BCB guy
since Delphi 1.0. Just after devoting some time and effort to
understand how those *nix hackers work, realized that typing things on
a text editor can be extremely productive, if you know your
stuff. Really, I see natural that the *nix folks looks to BCB/Kylix as
just a tool for toy GUI projects.
--
Oscar
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
than you probably think. I don't miss code-completion at all.
There is a package out there that implements several features that
belongs to the IDE hype. See
cedet.sourceforge.net/
--
Oscar
 

Mike Margerum < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
you realize that this can be very complex. For simple build
specifications (those BCB uses) it is trivial to write a Makefile, and
certainly is trivial to write an Emacs function that spits such a
Makefile.
On the link I provided before there is a package for project
manager. See EDE. I know nothing about it. I write my Makefiles.
--
Oscar