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2008-02-29 11:33:48 PM
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Glynn Owen wrote:
is $874. Perhaps pricey for a hobbyist - who can instead use the free
Turno editions - but not at all costly for a professional developer who
expects or intends to make money with it. As business expenses go,
that's miniscule.
If a professional developer cannot afford that, he's doing something
wrong.
 

"Marc Rohloff [TeamB]" wrote on Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:47:10 -0500:
like that. There is no way I could "switch" to VS, and even if I
wanted to, the time it would take to re-design my projects in VS would
make it an insane thing to do. And the $3-400 annual subscription I
pay for Delphi Pro is not a significant cost for any real business.
However, if I were just starting out on a shoestring budget, I
wouldn't be able to justify using Delphi, because Microsoft hands out
free copies of VS at trade shows, etc. I couldn't justify using
Delphi when I have a copy of VS that Microsoft already gave me. Add
to that the complete dearth of educational material for Delphi
compared to MS tools, and it just wouldn't make sense to start out
fresh with Delphi, regardless of how superior you and I know it to be.
CodeGear is not going to lose me as a customer, and I actually *like*
using Delphi anyway. But I just don't see how they are going to
attract a significant share of new customers.
--
Brandon Staggs
www.swordsearcher.com
www.studylamp.com
www.brandonstaggs.com
 

"And meanwhile over the years their prices have climbed higher and
higher to the point that typical individuals just can't afford them"
He does have a point here. There *was* a time i would consider buying it
personally, but that has stopped for the obvious.
However, slow install, 8 months of disturbing 2007 bugs and failing help
also doesnt improve upgrade decisions. At least there is a trial to find
out such..
 

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Sorry Bruce, should have replied on Remy
 

Kent Briggs wrote:
main development system (I do embedded software) and I find the price
(of the Pro SKU) to be just about right.
--
Andy Syms
Technosoft Systems Ltd
 

individuals. ... Borland and CodeGear have turned their backs on the
smaller individual developers.
<<<
He's absolutely right about that.
--
Kent Briggs, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Briggs Softworks, www.briggsoft.com
 

Kent Briggs wrote:
is completely unjustified.
www.turboexplorer.com/cpp
 

Andy Syms wrote:
documentation.
Seriously.
There's been lots of stuff added since my previous 'heavy' use version
(version 5), and now I use BDS2007 as my primary package. But there is
little/no documentation on items that have been added in the interim --
and expecting the user to 'experiment' to find out how things work, what
they do, etc., is FAR more expensive than the price of the product.
David Erbas-White
 

"Brandon Staggs" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
find it hard to resist the MS "carrot" being dangled. I think it's a great
idea to have a low priced entry level version that users can do something
productive with, to get them hooked. Also freebies for students and
teachers.
Cheers,
Van
 

Andy Syms wrote:
under because they aren't attracting young startups like they used to (I
started with a very affordable Turbo Pascal 2.0 twenty years ago),
you'll be sorry then.
--
Kent Briggs, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Briggs Softworks, www.briggsoft.com
 

Charles B wrote:
them free/opensource, others built by private companies. IOW, I care,
but I'd get over it.
more likely than ever.
--
Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
 

David Erbas-White wrote:
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] www.teamb.com
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog,
it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx
 

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
shouldn't need to be something that is 'still being worked on...'
Secondly, the very fact that you, Rudy, of TeamB fame, have to add the
"I guess," shows how poorly CodeGear is doing in even COMMUNICATING to
folks that these problems ARE being addressed.
David Erbas-White
 

David Erbas-White wrote:
considerable problems from which they are speedily recovering. I don't
see a good reason to keep riding on that. I'm sure you also knew it.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] www.teamb.com
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but
the silence of our friends."
-- Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
 

David Erbas-White wrote:
teams, nothing more. It is wrong to see more into it than just that.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] www.teamb.com
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more
interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim."
-- Edsger Dijkstra