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2003-11-22 07:56:26 PM
cppbuilder92
I am .Net at work and Borland at home (BCB 6 pro).
I look at the .NET arena, including the REALLY cool way to close down
comments and functions
and set regions to hide code you are not working on...nice feature :D
also the task view with comment tags...nice :)
I look at Borland...
was good, still is good, but loosing its grip...I see the VCL...handy :)
I think, but .Net is going completely like that and creating objects is way
easier in .NET
I then think, if .NETs components grow to the size and usefulness of the
VCL, then
why should I bother with any new Borland product?
Btw, to clarify I have been devoted to Borland, singing its praises since
BCB Version 1, 3,4,5,6
I can't see ANY benefit of BCBX over .NET other than multiple compiler
support etc...
its also annoying to use (environment isnt fun to use).
I may have missed loads of stuff over the BCBX even .NET to completely
comment absolutely everything,
but to be honest...well, lets look at my final bit of evidence...support,
bug fixing and help.
ok, enough said borland is absolutely {*word*99} at informing us on anything and
doing anything to continue
to support its customers...total neglect!
Sorry Borland, but I have decided that my copy of 2003 .net enterprise
architect is the way forward
for me...You are REALLY going to have to pull something special out of the
bag to even tempt me back.
I never thought I would side with the darkside (but getting lighter <g>)
Alistair
 

Alistair wrote:
would hardly consider this a decision making feature.
h^2
 

significantly change your opinion of CBX.
 

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Visual Slick Edit has supported code folding for years now. I use VSE
for the bulk of my C++ editing for BCB as well as for programming in
other languages.
I generally don't choose IDEs based on their editors since all the IDE
editors are inferior to VSE.
Alistair wrote:

"Harold Howe [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
or comments.
--
Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)
 

"Alistair" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
longer supported).
.NET. Also, the existing VCL has been ported to .NET for Delphi 8 and is
90+% compatible with existing code. VCL.NET will be added to CBX later on
when suport for Managed C++ is implemented.
happen in the coming months. Also, .NET support has not been implemented in
CBX yet, but it will be eventually. CBX is still a growing product, having
pieces implemented over time towards the overall design goals. It is still
only at the first stages at the moment.
Gambit
 

new name :)
post from you
Remy about BCBX, and that BCB was not going to be. I do hope that BCBX will
grow
and I hope Borland can follow up where it has failed in the past.
There are two reasons why I choose a product, considering a programming
language is going
to be the same...
1. Easy of user of environment and how well I can develope a program within
it, including support
and compiler stability.
2. Use of components/libraries already made available.
The second isnt as important, but I do wish for a nice environment to code
in...otherwise I quickly
become frustrated and thus, no longer enjoy using the product.
Some people wouldnt consider it, especially the hard, nose to the grinder
coders who are searching purely
for linker / compiler superiority and all the other 'advanced hard-core
features' <g>
As for borland and .Net , well I was aware they support it, but I was
thinking along the lines of
if Borland fails again, ms tools + .Net does seem to be the next best thing,
especially components replacing the
great VCL.
Harold Howe, I never said it was a decision making feature, but its still a
good one <g>
another grain of sand to tip the balance in favour or ms .net tools <g>
Thanks for the reply everyone, I am interested in how everyone feels about
this :)
Cheers
Alistair
 

"Alistair" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
abandon existing customers. Just because BCB, in its current form, is not
being offered anymore does not mean that BCB users are going to be left in
the proverbial dust for the long run. As CBX continues to grow, it will
receive features and capabilities that are currently found in BCB. VCL
(with full visual RAD support), ActiveX/COM, database, etc.
product line. CBX is the current and future offering from this point
forward. However, it is not up to the level of usabilty that BCB was. It
is still a basic product. But in retrospect, CBX is not meant to be the
next BCB at the moment. It is a new product for a new range of
marketplaces. For existing BCB users, they can continue to use BCB until
CBX matures into a new BCB-style of product in the coming months, at which
point CBX will start targetting BCB users and be a viable upgrade for
existing BCB users.
CBX and Delphi8. Borland is going to push better support plans. As for
compiler stability, since CBX is introducing a whole new compiler, it should
be much better than the current compiler. We'll know more later on after
the first release of the fully functional compiler is made available. It is
still a preview version at the moment.
at the moment, but should be in the coming months.
(Mac, Solaris, etc).
90-odd% compatible with the existing VCL, existing code should port to .NET
fairly easily. That should apply to components as well. Now, granted,
components making use of platform/API specific features directly will have
some work to do in order to support .NET, but a lot of code will port over.
Gambit
 

Remy,
So why doesn't Borland directly tell us that this is going to happen?
And by VCL do you nean Win32 VCL?
Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:

"Randall Parker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
message news:3fc04cf4$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
information until the last minute. A policy that seriously needs to be
changed soon, in my opinion.
enough to maintain current projects as-is. If they do the right thing,
they'll include v7, since Delphi's VCL has had several enhancements over
BCB's VCL for awhile now. Whether they will actually do that or not, I do
not know at this time.
Gambit
 

Alistair, I also once switched over to the other side. I even went to the
Windows 2003 Server/Visual Studio.NET 2003 launch. I worked with VS for a
while, but you know. it just doesn't feel right. I am a Borland girl. Have
been for not so many years though, but kinda grew attached to their stuff. I
realize that communication wise things could be a lot better and also that
it seems that the BCB concept (which I have come to adore) is going to be
ditched now, You'll have to admit that they do come up with some nice ideas
along the way. I *do* like CBX, although I don't consider it a replacement
for BCB (yet). I *do* like the PrimeTime IDE as well. .NET really isn't the
silver bullet too, you know. For one, it drains all your resources, as could
be expected of a M$ product. VS isn't all that intuitive as well.
Nah, I think you'll be back.
Just my $0.02,
Jenny
"Alistair" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

Humm, you know the all knowing oracle in the matrix...do I get the feeling
Remy is the real life version? <g>
I bet he has a 6 Inch metal spike in the back of his head <g>
Well, I must say, Remy you have cheered up my loyal Borland side
and I do hope BCBX will develope and not hit the sand barriers :)
Thanks for the info, I will be thinking more heavily about Borland than
I originally thought I would be doing. Seems like Borland might have
a plan of action, but its a shame that we dont know were they're leading
us...
I just hope its not into a dark alley <g>
As for Borlands tight-lipped policy of information...I fear that they would
get a fat lip in terms of loss of sales, if they dont reassure and keep a
good
relationship with us customers...I love Borlands products, I just don't like
Borland...and my love is fading..fast!
Remy, you are our only source of reassurance, I hope borland are paying
you for it...and well! <g>
Cheers
Alistair
 

"Remy Lebeau \(TeamB\)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
talks about their plans to drum up enthusiasm and customer
confidence.
Borland needs to be less dismissive of customer concerns.
A big wave of distrust has built up and there are just
too many alternatives for Borland products that they can
be so cavalier.
 

never mind a silver one <g>
give to receive, pity its in both money and hardware
resources <g>
I believe we both have a similar view, Im just not confident in Borland
anymore...their ideas are great, their products shine, but their ability to
speak and follow up with support...keep squeezing that stone <g>
As an Englishman (whom we all know are gentlemen) <g>
I regard Borland to be rude, inconsiderate and damn right annoying...
they just stare at us blankly without a hint of emotion... <g>
Cheers
Alistair
 

"Jennifer Ashley Kuiper" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
borland's C#Builder. It doesn't have VS's plethora of
features, but it's very comfortable for a boland person.