Board index » cppbuilder » Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable


2004-07-05 06:12:21 AM
cppbuilder23
I R T < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
Quote
WYou do not need to buy the full VS .
You can buy just VC++ 2003 .

Amazon are selling it for 92 $ US.
better yet mate, download VC++ 2005 (beta) for free.
lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/
I've been using it about a week, in duo with with the free
SQLExpress. VSExpress is touch buggy, but I like it.
yes, the original poster's info on VS's Gui rad is
about a decade out of date. Before .Net, VS was
way inferior to BC++, rad-wise. No longer, I reckon.
 
 

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

All the C++ .Net books I've looked at say that there is no drag and drop
form design
in C++. If you want RAD they sned you to C# or VB. This isn't true? The
books were copyrighted 2002.
Doing the GUI in VB means you have to make your C++ a DLL and there goes all
the neat C++
class stuff. Is C# and C++ together an easy solution? Can you pass classes
back and forth etc. Is there
a recent book that covers this. Please, no COM.
You guys are really scaring me away from BCB. I've used and liked borland,
it helped me learn C++.
Visual C++ had all that document/view {*word*99} to wade through. Only downside to
BCB for me is that
all the neat components to add are written in Pascal. I'm not a
"professional" developer like you guys. I write programs for myself and my
coworkers (numerical stuff, data acquisition). Now its the choice to either
learn Pascal, or learn all the MS junk? (DECLARE_MESSAGE_MAP, stdafx, ugh).
Dave
"Zambhala" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote

I R T < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
>WYou do not need to buy the full VS .
>You can buy just VC++ 2003 .
>
>Amazon are selling it for 92 $ US.

better yet mate, download VC++ 2005 (beta) for free.
lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/

I've been using it about a week, in duo with with the free
SQLExpress. VSExpress is touch buggy, but I like it.

yes, the original poster's info on VS's Gui rad is
about a decade out of date. Before .Net, VS was
way inferior to BC++, rad-wise. No longer, I reckon.
 

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

"Dave D" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
Quote
All the C++ .Net books I've looked at say that there is no drag and drop
form design
in C++. If you want RAD they sned you to C# or VB. This isn't true? The
books were copyrighted 2002.
They are wrong.
But download an express version for yourself and see.
 

{smallsort}

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

"Dave D" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
Quote
Now its the choice to either
learn Pascal, or learn all the MS junk? (DECLARE_MESSAGE_MAP, stdafx, ugh).
It is rather differnt with the new version.
 

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

I have some stuff you may like at www.mitov.com . If you are a Data
Acq. guy it's for you :-)
Take care,
Boian
Dave D wrote:
Quote
You guys are really scaring me away from BCB. I've used and liked borland,
it helped me learn C++.
Visual C++ had all that document/view {*word*99} to wade through. Only downside to
BCB for me is that
all the neat components to add are written in Pascal. I'm not a
"professional" developer like you guys. I write programs for myself and my
coworkers (numerical stuff, data acquisition). Now its the choice to either
learn Pascal, or learn all the MS junk? (DECLARE_MESSAGE_MAP, stdafx, ugh).

Dave
 

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

Quote
They are wrong.
They were right when they were published.
 

Re:Re: ok i need to ask is moving to visual studio a viable

"Aney" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
Quote
>They are wrong.

They were right when they were published.
I think of all the .Net suite of languages (C#, VB, C++, J#),
C++ was the one most behind the curve with RAD integration.
But they've been working on it. Like IRT said, just
download it and check it out. Compare with BCB and
make your own informed judgements. It won't cost you anything
but diskspace.
In any case, the main point is that C++.Net is moving forward
steadily. We all hope that one fine day BCB does that too.
Just be aware of the choices. As for QT, Trolltech has not
kept it's Windows free version up to date - stupidly I think.
Windows is where the mass of developers dwell, and you need
to have a living presence there to attract the mass of people.