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Heads up, you're not alone! <g>


2004-07-29 09:43:03 PM
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FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
lack of information regarding CW's future. They
especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
used to.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hoyle" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: The End of CodeWarrior?
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[...]

With Greg Dow's recent departure, non attendance of the one key
conference for Metrowerks, no announcement of Pro 10, the dropping of
Java with Pro 9, Metrowerks several months of silence (due to the
FreeScale spinoff), Apple's sessions pushing the need to convert from
CodeWarrior to XCode, all seem to speak pessimistically of the future
of CodeWarrior.

I sure hope this impression is wrong.


Jonathan Hoyle
Gene Codes Corporation
Schobi
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Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

I guess they are worse off. Sounds like they used to get road maps and
don't anymore. At least we haven't really missed anything. Roadmaps
have never been a strong point for Borland's C++ line, and patches are
few and far between!
FWIW: On the mac, I haven't used CodeWarrior for years, but Apple's
developer tools in OS X 10.3 are very nice indeed. Haven't done any
major development with them, but they seem fairly full featured.
Cheers
Russell
Hendrik Schober wrote:
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FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
lack of information regarding CW's future. They
especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
used to.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hoyle" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: The End of CodeWarrior?


>[...]
>
>With Greg Dow's recent departure, non attendance of the one key
>conference for Metrowerks, no announcement of Pro 10, the dropping of
>Java with Pro 9, Metrowerks several months of silence (due to the
>FreeScale spinoff), Apple's sessions pushing the need to convert from
>CodeWarrior to XCode, all seem to speak pessimistically of the future
>of CodeWarrior.
>
>I sure hope this impression is wrong.
>
>
>Jonathan Hoyle
>Gene Codes Corporation


Schobi

 

Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

"Hendrik Schober" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:4108ff17
@newsgroups.borland.com:
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FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
lack of information regarding CW's future. They
especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
used to.

<SNIP>
CW was really only popular on the Mac and some embedded platforms, and
with the advent of XCode there was little reason to go with CW for Mac
development any more. They probably still have a decent installed base
with the embedded developers, but I'd bet that this base is eroding
quickly as well.
Metrowerks is learning the same hard lesson as Borland in the development
tools race: you can't win by standing still.
mr_organic
 

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Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

HAHA, so what's the lession Hendrik? We should be less miserable because
others are also miserable? <g>
Seriously though, I don't see how that's relevant. I could care less
about CW users. It neither helps nor hurts me.
I hope that doesn't sound to harsh, it's just supposed to sound
matter-of-factly.. :)
cheers,
tim
Hendrik Schober wrote:
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FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
lack of information regarding CW's future. They
especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
used to.

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Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Tim Howard < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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HAHA, so what's the lession Hendrik? [...]
I don't know. I only kept thinking, when I
read there, that this reminds me of this ng.
And with the postings dropping down to barely
5 a day here, I thought I'd stirr you up a
bit with this. :)
(See, this thread alone already got about as
many postings as we had here for the last two
days. <g>)
Quote
Seriously though, I don't see how that's relevant.
Seriously? OK. Look at this:
Apple recently put a lot of effort into XCode
and undoubtly tried to get people to move from
CW to it. Two years ago they stopped inviting
MW to their WWDC. So they seriously threaten
CW, who ones had the best compiler on the Mac.
OTOH, MW didn't seriously improve their IDE for
several versions, instead they suddenly dropped
Java onto their surprised customers with CW9,
stayed quiet for many months now, devided from
Greg Dow (MW chief architect for 11 years, the
brain behind PowerPlant -- he pathetically asked
if someone knew a job for him in the ng's), do
not seem to release patches anymore (9.2 was the
last), make no announcement about a next version
of their compiler/IDE, and -- invited or not --
won't even spend the money for a booth at WWDC.
To top it all off, in their ng seem to be a lot
of people really upset about all this and there
is a lot of complaints (well, if you consider that
comp.sys.mac.programmer.codewarrior is a compiler
ng, no non-tech or OT, then that /is/ a lot).
If this doesn't have any parallels to Borland, I
should probably get my head checked.
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I could care less
about CW users. [...]
I couldn't. :)
(Our Mac guys might see this differently, though.)
Quote
[...]
tim
Schobi
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Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Like I said, it's relevant in that it sounds like they have similiar
management styles, but otherwise.. not really..
In all seriousness though, I'm just busting your chops.. :)
cheers,
tim
Hendrik Schober wrote:
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If this doesn't have any parallels to Borland, I
should probably get my head checked.

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understood the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!!
 

Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Doesn't Motorola own Code Warrior???
"Tim Howard" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
HAHA, so what's the lession Hendrik? We should be less miserable because
others are also miserable? <g>

Seriously though, I don't see how that's relevant. I could care less about
CW users. It neither helps nor hurts me.

I hope that doesn't sound to harsh, it's just supposed to sound
matter-of-factly.. :)



cheers,


tim



Hendrik Schober wrote:

>FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
>lack of information regarding CW's future. They
>especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
>used to.
>


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the C preprocessor. Let's do away with it OK? Bjarne agrees!!
 

Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Tom < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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Doesn't Motorola own Code Warrior???
They factured it out into a new subsidary(?)
called Freescale.
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[...]
Schobi
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Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Last year, I used the CW ide that came with the Arm Development Suite. I
don't know how out-of-date it was, but IMO it was pretty bad. Not to
defend Borland's past lack of attention to customer needs, but CW was
much worse that anything Borland has ever put out.
"mr_organic" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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Metrowerks is learning the same hard lesson as Borland in the development
tools race: you can't win by standing still.
 

Re:Heads up, you're not alone! <g>

Hendrik Schober wrote:
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FYI, CodeWarrior developers are crying over the
lack of information regarding CW's future. They
especially miss the roadmaps they seem to be
used to.
My impression is that CW is making a strong push into embedded world,
especially embedded Linux development. A presentation we had a while ago
by them was quite impressive - if expensive.
.a