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Re: BCB 2006


2005-10-14 12:49:15 AM
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At 18:24:25, 13.10.2005, Dennis Jones wrote:
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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>"I'm always amazed to hear of air crash victims so badly mutilated
>that they have to be identified by their dental records. What I can't
>understand is, if they don't know who you are, how do they know who
>your dentist is?" -- Paul Merton.

That's what I'd like to know. Hey Rudy, how do you explain this?
Usually there is a passenger list, so they try to find the dentists of
all the people on these lists. How they do that can be seen on CSI,
CSI:Miami, CSI:NY, Criminal Intent, Law & Order, Law & Order New York,
etc. <g>
Followup to b.p.off-topic
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

At 17:46:12, 13.10.2005, Hendrik Schober wrote:
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>Actually we are supposed to watch for NDA violations as part of our
>mandate so we sort of have to know what is in the NDA if we are
>supposed to watch for violations.

Well, then you also have to know the facts that
fall under the NDA -- so you have to be beta
testers. <vbg>
One does not follow from the other. The fact that someone knows the text
of an agreement does not mean that he or she has knowledge of facts
covered by the agreement.
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
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>>"I'm always amazed to hear of air crash victims so badly mutilated
>>that they have to be identified by their dental records. What I
>>can't understand is, if they don't know who you are, how do they
>>know who your dentist is?" -- Paul Merton.
>
>That's what I'd like to know. Hey Rudy, how do you explain this?

Usually there is a passenger list, so they try to find the dentists of
all the people on these lists. How they do that can be seen on CSI,
CSI:Miami, CSI:NY, Criminal Intent, Law & Order, Law & Order New York,
etc. <g>
Damn! That's a privacy violation!
<eg>
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

"Dennis Jones" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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>"I'm always amazed to hear of air crash victims so badly mutilated
>that they have to be identified by their dental records. What I can't
>understand is, if they don't know who you are, how do they know who
>your dentist is?" -- Paul Merton.

That's what I'd like to know. Hey Rudy, how do you explain this?
I'm not exactly Rudy, but they have passenger lists, from which they
can find the families of the victims, who should be able to tell.
 

Re:Re: BCB 2006

In article <434e9292$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Igor Ivanov" <unknown@address>wrote:
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Damn! That's a privacy violation!
How can you expect privacy after you are dead? Particularly if you
die in a way that requires an investigation?
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

David Dean wrote:
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In article <434e9292$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Igor Ivanov" <unknown@address>wrote:

>Damn! That's a privacy violation!

How can you expect privacy after you are dead? Particularly if you
die in a way that requires an investigation?
Easy. I put an <eg>at the end of my post :-)
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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>It is interesting to note that the upgrade price applies to BCB versions
3,
>4 and 5. It also states (as I read it) that the price applies to those
who
>have "Software Assurance"

No, if you have a current SA you get the update as part of your SA at no
additional cost. The prices quoted include SA for a year in addition to
the
product itself.
Thanks for the explanation, Jeff. The wording they chose (for upgrade
pricing in particular) is just ambiguous enough to be confusing. The
meaning is a bit clearer when you look at the text for new user pricing.
The only thing that is obvious from the list is that they really want you to
buy SA!
- Dennis
 

Re:Re: BCB 2006

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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At 17:46:12, 13.10.2005, Hendrik Schober wrote:

>>Actually we are supposed to watch for NDA violations as part of our
>>mandate so we sort of have to know what is in the NDA if we are
>>supposed to watch for violations.
>
>Well, then you also have to know the facts that
>fall under the NDA -- so you have to be beta
>testers. <vbg>

One does not follow from the other. The fact that someone knows the text
of an agreement does not mean that he or she has knowledge of facts
covered by the agreement.
Right. Which is why I thought, in order to know
the facts, you need to be beta testers. However,
Jeff already proved me wrong on this...
Schobi
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

At 22:02:33, 13.10.2005, Hendrik Schober wrote:
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>One does not follow from the other. The fact that someone knows the
>text of an agreement does not mean that he or she has knowledge of
>facts covered by the agreement.


Right. Which is why I thought, in order to know
the facts, you need to be beta testers. However,
Jeff already proved me wrong on this...
OK.
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when it happens." -- Woody Allen, From 'Death' 1975.
 

Re:Re: BCB 2006

Dennis Jones wrote:
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The only thing that is obvious from the list is that they really want you to
buy SA!
They have wanted you to purchase SA for a couple of releases (Since D8), but
since BCB hasn't been rev'd since this push I would expect BCB users to not be
as used to this as Delphi or JBuilder users who have seen it for a few years
now.
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Dennis Jones wrote:
>
>
>The only thing that is obvious from the list is that they really want
you to
>buy SA!

They have wanted you to purchase SA for a couple of releases (Since D8),
but
since BCB hasn't been rev'd since this push I would expect BCB users to
not be
as used to this as Delphi or JBuilder users who have seen it for a few
years
now.
I'm curious...has SA ever been a worthwhile investment, even for Delphi
users? I suspect not, but in the event I am mistaken, how much was saved by
those who bought SA and actually had it pay off?
- Dennis
 

Re:Re: BCB 2006

At 23:02:33, 13.10.2005, Dennis Jones wrote:
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I'm curious...has SA ever been a worthwhile investment, even for Delphi
users? I suspect not, but in the event I am mistaken, how much was
saved by those who bought SA and actually had it pay off?
It could be worthwhile now, since I can't imagine that Highlander (the
version of Delphi primarily meant for .NET 2.0) will take a year to be
released.
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

Dennis Jones wrote:
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"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>
>
>Dennis Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>>The only thing that is obvious from the list is that they really want
you to
>>buy SA!
>
>They have wanted you to purchase SA for a couple of releases (Since D8),
but
>since BCB hasn't been rev'd since this push I would expect BCB users to
not be
>as used to this as Delphi or JBuilder users who have seen it for a few
years
>now.

I'm curious...has SA ever been a worthwhile investment, even for Delphi
users?
Yes. If you upgrade every version, for the cost of 1 D8 + 2 SA's you would have
gotten you D8, D2005 and DeXter. It is cheaper than paying for D8 + 2
upgrades. For SA to be cheaper than upgrading every time All Borland has to do
is ship 2 versions every 3 years. Historically Delphi has shipped a new version
every 14 months. If you look at the roadmap recently available there are 3
listing in the next 2 years after DeXter (Highlander, Vista and Win64).
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I suspect not, but in the event I am mistaken, how much was saved by
those who bought SA and actually had it pay off?
Typically you save 10-20% from upgrading individually over a three year period
(considering a 14 month shipping cycle). If you are in a larger company, SA is
an easier way to get approval to upgrade as accountants prefer SA over new
purchases because a) it is a known fixed cost each year and b) the cost gets
spread across the full year instead of the quarter the purchase was made in. If
you are a small shop or a single developer and you skip versions then it doesn't
make much sense.
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Re:Re: BCB 2006

"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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If you are a small shop or a single developer and you skip versions then
it doesn't
make much sense.
...or, if you are a BCB user!
- Dennis
 

Re:Re: BCB 2006

"Dennis Jones" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >writes:
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"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...

>If you are a small shop or a single developer and you skip versions then
it doesn't
>make much sense.

...or, if you are a BCB user!
They're going to have to establish a track record of much more
frequent C++ updates before they convince their C++ customers that SA
is worth it. Right now, based on history of C++ for the last
half-decade, I don't see how a 12-month SA plan could be justified.
However, with Delphi and C++ in the same product, I think it's
reasonable to expect more frequent updates since they can't release
one without the other. How many are C++-specific is TBD, but that's
another topic entirely.
--
Chris (TeamB);