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2003-09-15 06:12:19 PM
cppbuilder52
I just found information about a new framework for C and C++
multiplatform development environment on Windows, Linux and Solaris (i.e.
C++BuilderX).
It looks very interesting.
I cannot find any information about that on Borland web page.
When I will be able to get this tool?
Regards,
Andrzej
 

Andrzej Pownuk wrote:
bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,30279,00.html
Thanks
Russell
 

"Andrzej Pownuk" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Andrzej Pownuk wrote:
headed off at a tangent presumably lead by the nose by Linux developers.
If going back to "make" files and all that kind of archaic {*word*99} is
your thing then go right ahead.
I really am disgusted by what they have come up with. Cripes we want an
IDE thats productive not one that you have to fight with every step of
the way. Ditching the VCL & Kylix sure as hell ain't smart and unless
they actually provide a decent migration tool for bringing your existing
projects into CBX why would you want to touch it?
As you might have noticed I am not real happy with Borland as they are
continuing their arrogant "M$ like" march to{*word*211}off every user they
ever had in the C++ community.
Craig
 

Hi!
Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:
discontinued? Is C++Builder X in any way compatible with C++Builder? Why
so many new and conflicting products all at the same time?
Thanks!
Jonathan Neve.
 

other Borland products into it (think of it as the one ring, and all
platforms as the rings of mortal man).
However, as it is now it is released, you don't have a) the new compiler, b)
the new framework or c) the new RAD interface.
The order I have given it in seems like the logical development and release
steps.
My best guess (note: guess) will be that the object names will remain the
same (TComboBoxList, etc.) so giving an easy migration path. Enough of it
will be different however meaning you won't be able to load up an old
project and compile it straight out.
G.
 

"Graham Reeds" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
I'll believe it when I see it.
 

Not quite an update to this discussion, but just found this out: The new
Borland C++ Framework will be using wxWindows as it's basis.
More information here: www.wxwindows.org/
So much for 'developing a framework from the ground-up'.
Also there was a gripe on the (now defunct) Tomahawk newsgroup about
wxWindows being inferior to Qt. Anyone who has used wxWindows care to
comment?
Graham Reeds,
XXXX@XXXXX.COM | omnieng.co.uk
 

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:33:03 +0100, Graham Reeds wrote:
I can't really compare wxWindows to Qt since my only exposure to Qt was
via the CLX components in C++ Builder 6. I can say that I was not happy
with the CLX components (for instance, I was never able to make the tab
order work correctly).
A number of people have complained about Borland using wxWindows rather
than building a brand new framework. It strikes me as ironic considering
we are all C++ programmers and the idea of code re-use is supposed to be
rather high in our thoughts ;-)
Are there some bad things about wxWindows? Sure! For instance, it
makes no use of templates at all (so no STL is involved). Someone
yesterday mentioned that it's not exception safe either.
Are there some good things about wxWindows? Sure! It's an older
library that is written to work with a broad range of compilers and
platforms.
Of course, the wxWindows we can download today will not be the same as
what Borland will be releasing with CBuilderX. They have said that they
will be putting resources into making improvements to the existing
wxWindows library. You can read more about that on the wxWindows site.
Followups set to the non-tech group...
Benny
 

Have you guys been following at all ?? C++BuilderX does NOT support VCL,
from any indication. It supports the wxWindow windowing system ( a cross
platform "light" windowing library ). There has been NO definitive statement
from ANYONE in Borland that C++Builder 6 is NOT going to be the last of the
VCL supporting compilers. No one has made a statement if Kylix will remain
or not ( much less, the CLX libraries ).
CBX is just an acronym for C++BuilderX. The IDE is cross platform, because
it seems to be written in JAVA ( if early reports on www.slashdot.org , are
to be believed ). It simply sits on top of the various compilers and acts as
both editor, and build manager( invoking the appropriate compiler ).
I haven't seen any indication that there is ANY support for VCL's or CLX.
"Michael Powell" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

"Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr." < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
have seen that Borland made a public announcment the other day that they
*will* be releasing an official statement regarding their plans for VCL and
CLX support in CBX within the next couple of weeks (amongst other things).
Gambit
 

Remy,
If that statement is the same statement that you copied to me in a different
thread of this newsgroup, then I stand by my previous statements to
you......"will be releasing a statement" that in any way SMELLS of Migration
FROM
VCL/CLX...is the WRONG answer... <PERIOD>
Marcelo
"Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

"Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr." < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
"Migration" and "Support" especially since they are used together, not
exclusive to each other. My comments are in the .non-technical group along
with all of the other CBX-related discussions.
Gambit
 

Fine, and I've responded to those ridiculous statements there as well...what
CBX related discussions.
Someone from TeamB just reminded everyone there in the early experience
program that they aren't
even supposed to expose who they themselves are, much less anything about
CBX.
Just what do you expect anyone from this group to find over there that's so
much more revealing ? I sure didn't find anything any more inciteful or
revealing about this subject ( not that anything I've seen posted here is
incite-GIVING, just more "party-line" spewing ).
"Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

"Marcelo R. Lopez, Jr." < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
TeamB or end-user, is posted in the .non-technical group. That is where
such discussions belong.
tests, or whether they even particupated, even when the tests are finished
and the product released publically.
Borland employees posting messages over there, as well as TeamB messages
with Borland approvals behind them. All CBX-related discussions belong over
there, not here. That is not what this newsgroup is for.
Gambit