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Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools?


2006-02-12 04:23:11 AM
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If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java dev tools
competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do not see that as a big
loss.
Would IBM try to shift all Delphi and C++ work into Eclipse?
Would IBM do to Borland tools what it did to OS/2?
How about Oracle? Seems to me that Oracle is in a weak spot. Don't think they'll have
the cash to invest well in dev tools. Open source RDBMSs are becoming steadily
better. IBM and Microsoft have made great strides with their own RDBMSs. Even Sybase
SQL Anywhere can scale up so high that it can handle lots of jobs that only Oracle
and DB2 could handle 10 or 15 years ago.
How about Google? Great company. Talented people. Lots of cash. But would they see
value in owning Borland's tools? For what advantage against MS? Making better
portable dev tools perhaps? Or would Google want to own a compiler to optimize it to
extreme degrees to reduce the number of servers they have to run?
Computer Associates: In my nightmares. Not them. No, not them. Borland's best
developers would leave. They'd double prices.
Sybase? They seem too small at this point. How are they doing?
Novell seems too small. Ditto Corel.
Adobe?
How about Sun? Would they want to revive Kylix and make excellent portable fat app
dev tools? Can they afford to develop such tools?
 
 

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How about Oracle? Seems to me that Oracle is in a weak spot. Don't think
they'll have the cash to invest well in dev tools.
Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank!
 

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Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank!
American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000
European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000
Am I right?
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At 09:07:05, 12.02.2006, Vladimir Stefanovic wrote:
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>Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank!

American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000
European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000

Am I right?
Correct. What the US call a billion, we call a milliard.
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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At 09:07:05, 12.02.2006, Vladimir Stefanovic wrote:

>>Oracle has nearly $3.5 BILLION cash in the bank!
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>American 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000
>European 1 BILLION = 1,000,000,000,000
>
>Am I right?

Correct. What the US call a billion, we call a milliard.
Whereas we Brits have just got confused, and tend now to use the
incorrect US form, rather than the old 'illion per 6 places' form.
Alan Bellingham
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Re:Which buyer would do best by Borland dev tools?

All your choices are public companies. I would rather see the tools
purchased by a private company that would build community and a
support structure without the crushing pressure of short term profits.
Given the bad press and ill will fostered by this Borland fiasco in
the developer community, no public company will be able to turn the
IDE tools into a fantastic profit machine overnight.
To have the tools bought for that purpose would quickly ensure their
death IMO.
Of course, whether a private company can afford the investment all
depends on how much Borland's present management is interested in
getting top dollar vs. doing what might be best for the tools
long-term.
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Michael McCulloch
 

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"Randall Parker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
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If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java
dev tools competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do
not see that as a big loss.
INVESTORS
 

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David Intersimone "David I wrote:
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"Randall Parker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
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>If IBM bought the tools that would eliminate JBuilder as a separate Java
>dev tools competitor. There are other Java dev tools. Some are free. I do
>not see that as a big loss.

INVESTORS
So, if the interested party has enough money, but not the faintest idea what an IDE is,
they're welcome to buy in?!?
Listen to the advice of your userbase - we want a technical management for a technical
company. I trust this is clear.
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Mark Jacobs
www.dkcomputing.co.uk
 

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Mark Jacobs < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Listen to the advice of your userbase - we want a technical management for a technical
company.
As Mick used to say, "You can't always get what you want." It's not like there
is a lot of VC in this world. Beggars can't be choosers.
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David Intersimone "David I wrote:
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INVESTORS


Well, at least with the stock down 10% after the announcement they
should get it at a discount! Looks like the street didn't like the good
news. Also looks to me like management has their heads in some dark place.
 

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James Gibbons wrote:
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David Intersimone "David I wrote:
>INVESTORS
Well, at least with the stock down 10% after the announcement they
should get it at a discount! Looks like the street didn't like the good
news. Also looks to me like management has their heads in some dark place.
Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good enough for the
purchase price - still too many serious bugs, not least of which is the help system! And
I'm one of their most loyal fans. But I warned them not to release until it was as
bug-free as possible, even if they had to drop features. But they didn't - they tried to
release everything all together, and it didn't work. Ho hum....
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At 17:15:51, 17.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:
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Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good
enough for the purchase price - still too many serious bugs
How do you know? You are even refusing to install the trial version.
You'll see many people (using C++ or Delphi) who think that BDS2006 is
the best release ever, and a real pleasure to work with. I am one of
them, BTW.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
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At 17:15:51, 17.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:

>Hardly surprising when they release something that is still not good
>enough for the purchase price - still too many serious bugs

How do you know? You are even refusing to install the trial version.
You'll see many people (using C++ or Delphi) who think that BDS2006 is
the best release ever, and a real pleasure to work with. I am one of
them, BTW.
I consider myself a loyal fan too and plan to upgrade soon when all the
components I use are ready. I am also considering what I will do
dependent on who buys the IDE and how well I think they will continue
the C++Builder support. If it doesn't look good, away I will go and I
will take our company and fellow programmers with me.
I sure hope it turns out well, but considering the dumb decision to
announce the sale before finding a buyer, I think management will not
pick the best buyer for continued support. They may have thought they
would get the stock price up by the announcement as they see the IDE
business as a drag on profits, but it went 15% down instead. So far I
have just watched the stupid decisions and continued programming, but
now I must consider the future of our development tools. Great way to
run a company, Mr. Borland.
James