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What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???


2007-06-14 05:13:34 AM
cppbuilder78
Hi,
Finally, I was able to install the trial version of C++ Builder 2007. It is
so dispointed that the toppest request of "class explorer" (QC #: 23836,
qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx in BDS2006 from C++ Builder
users has not been added back to this version. The function is so important
for me (maybe for most of C++Builder users as well) to write codes
efficiently. Although I purchased BDS2006 long time ago, I am still using
BCB6 right now. CB2007 does not make any too much difference from BDS2006
except it supports Vista. What's the benefits for me to update to CB2007?
None for me.
Regards,
Qimiao
 
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

Qimiao Lu wrote:
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except it supports Vista. What's the benefits for me to update to CB2007?
None for me.

Better compiler, better project manager, better structure pane and
CodeInsight.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

I can not see any difference between BDS2006 and CB2007 for structure pane.
Why is it better?
Qimiao
"Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Qimiao Lu wrote:
>except it supports Vista. What's the benefits for me to update to CB2007?
>None for me.

>
Better compiler, better project manager, better structure pane and
CodeInsight.
 

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Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

"Qimiao Lu" wrote
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It is so dispointed that the toppest request of "class explorer" (QC #:
23836,
Try cnPack; it does not have a class explorer but has a very effective
feature that allow you to search functions in classes. cnPack's Procedure
List Feature allows you to search the classes/functions. This feature is
almost similar to that of gExpert but cnPack allows you to search/list the
functions in all the project files.
-Kathire
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

Qimiao Lu wrote:
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I can not see any difference between BDS2006 and CB2007 for structure pane.
Why is it better?

It has better visual cues and it can sort alphabetically. I don't think
it could before. Also, it now works on the standalone .h files (don't
think it did in 2006).
.a
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

My point is that these improvement in the structure pane is useless for me.
What I expect is a simple function to add new method and new property to a
class so that the corresponding codes is automatically added to h and cpp
files, respectively, like the functions in the class explorer of BCB6.
Q.
"Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Qimiao Lu wrote:
>I can not see any difference between BDS2006 and CB2007 for structure
>pane. Why is it better?
>
It has better visual cues and it can sort alphabetically. I don't think it
could before. Also, it now works on the standalone .h files (don't think
it did in 2006).

.a
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

Qimiao Lu wrote:
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My point is that these improvement in the structure pane is useless for me.
What I expect is a simple function to add new method and new property to a
class so that the corresponding codes is automatically added to h and cpp
files, respectively, like the functions in the class explorer of BCB6.
I understand what you need. Unfortunately, this functionality is not
available out of the box.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

And the plugin to do this was very unreliable. I removed it
and a lot of the AVs in BCB6 disappeared.
Pete
"Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Qimiao Lu wrote:
>My point is that these improvement in the structure pane
>is useless for me. What I expect is a simple function to
>add new method and new property to a class so that the
>corresponding codes is automatically added to h and cpp
>files, respectively, like the functions in the class
>explorer of BCB6.


I understand what you need. Unfortunately, this
functionality is not available out of the box.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

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And the plugin to do this was very unreliable. I removed it and a lot of
the AVs in BCB6 disappeared.
Pete
That was the case with the standard edition. My experience was, that getting
the pro edition for free from the toolfactory homepage removed these
problems. In addition it was more full-featured.
/Palle
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

So, does CodeGear lessen the voice from C++ Builder users? This request (QC
#: 23836, i.e. to restore this functionality) is the top list in the
quality central of C++ Builder. I have seen many improvement in similar
functionalities in Delph but less and less functionalities for fast coding
completion for C++ Builder. Why?
Q.
"Alex Bakaev [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
Qimiao Lu wrote:
>My point is that these improvement in the structure pane is useless for
>me. What I expect is a simple function to add new method and new property
>to a class so that the corresponding codes is automatically added to h
>and cpp files, respectively, like the functions in the class explorer of
>BCB6.


I understand what you need. Unfortunately, this functionality is not
available out of the box.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

"Qimiao Lu" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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So, does CodeGear lessen the voice from C++ Builder users? This request
(QC #: 23836, i.e. to restore this functionality) is the top list in the
quality central of C++ Builder. I have seen many improvement in similar
functionalities in Delph but less and less functionalities for fast coding
completion for C++ Builder. Why?
Come on people!!
Everyone has know for many, many years that Borland/CodeGear just wish that
we would go away!!
They hate to spend the resources on a dead product!
I still use BCB4 but bought 2 copies of BDS2006 Enterprise and saw nothing
worth leaving BCB4.
I have now left CodeGear and have move over to MS and .NET.
I love .NET except they have a far worst implementation for database
applications than CodeGear, so I keep BCB4 just for quick DB applications
and to maintain my existing products.
So stop complaining and stop wasting your money, I'm sure if you really look
hard enough, you can see C++ Builder fading away in the sunlight.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

You are right. I was expecting that CodeGear would make us better feeling
for this new release but I am totally wrong. It's really painful to leave
Borland as I used and liked BCB since BCB came. They actually did great job
in past. They could do much better job with little efforts but they did not.
It would make me better feeling if they could explain why and respond for
our questions promptly but they did not.
Sorry, I forgot your advice "stop complaining and stop wasting your money".
Q.
"Frank J" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Come on people!!
Everyone has know for many, many years that Borland/CodeGear just wish
that we would go away!!

They hate to spend the resources on a dead product!

I still use BCB4 but bought 2 copies of BDS2006 Enterprise and saw nothing
worth leaving BCB4.

I have now left CodeGear and have move over to MS and .NET.
I love .NET except they have a far worst implementation for database
applications than CodeGear, so I keep BCB4 just for quick DB applications
and to maintain my existing products.

So stop complaining and stop wasting your money, I'm sure if you really
look hard enough, you can see C++ Builder fading away in the sunlight.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

"Frank J" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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I still use BCB4 but bought 2 copies of BDS2006 Enterprise and saw nothing
worth leaving BCB4.
Funny you say that. I migrated over to BDS2006 a few months ago from BCB4.
But yesterday I was using a different computer which only had BCB4 on it to
work on a legacy project. The thought that came to me over and over again
was how much I had quickly got use BDS2006 and liked it and how I couldn't
imagine having to work with BCB4 again.
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Frank J" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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They hate to spend the resources on a dead product!
C++Builder is neither dead, nor are there resources being taken away
from the C++ team. You are so wrong it is almost funny.
--
-David Dean
CodeGear C++ QA Engineer
<blogs.codegear.com/ddean/>
 

Re:What's the improvement of C++Builder 2007???

"David Dean [CodeGear]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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C++Builder is neither dead, nor are there resources being taken away
from the C++ team. You are so wrong it is almost funny.

As the saying goes...Actions speak louder than words.
By looking at C++ and the enhancements/features that it offers, IT IS a
waste of resources!
I understand that you have to stick by your product, but if you could pull
yourself away from it for about a week
and look at this product as a whole from the outside, there is no way you
could think of C++ as a...
"Vibrant, bustling and robust product with a large community supporting it
and that has company that will do what it takes to make C++ the best."
You can take that statement above and ask any C++ Builder developer and I
bet most would say that they don't see this C++ as a vibrant, robust product
that has great support.
I don't mean to offend you, but I'm just speaking how I see it.