Board index » cppbuilder » Re: Danny Thorpe's comments on BCB in the Delphi.non-tech group

2004-06-09 06:40:58 PM
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Duane Hebert wrote:
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Andrue Cope [TeamB]
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A lot of Developers are in the same situation as we are. We don't need a
new product to do maintenance, and the way we have been treated we look like
that's all we will be doing with a Borland product.
Personally I like Borland, but they are way behind the times.
G.
 

to a handful of select developers who can't disseminate any information they
are privy too.
I think if they were a little vocal around here, and talked their corner
then we would be a lot more happy.
G.
 

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Frank.
 

Graham Reeds wrote:
to be receptive if you're to have a meaningful dialogue. I think that
the people currently generating the bad atmosphere should accept that
they are responsible for perpetuating it. Maybe that atmosphere is
holding the letter up and maybe it isn't (I genuinely don't know) but
there seems nothing good to be gained by keeping the ill feeling going.
Let's /all/ progress this thing. Developers calm down and try and
forgive (several stiff drinks will help here), Borland goes out to the
store and buys a pen and paper, or a collection of straws if they are
still trying to decide on the author :)
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Andrue Cope [TeamB]
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At 12:45:08, 09.06.2004, Graham Reeds wrote:
2 products). And we don't even know what is exactly going to happen with
them, right?
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"The world is a tragedy to those who feel, but a comedy to those who
think." -- Horace Walpole (1717-1797)
 

At 13:08:28, 09.06.2004, Frank Gruber wrote:
product.
BTW, that doesn't mean I think Borland should abandon C++. On the
contrary, I would love to see both products they currently have thrive
and do well.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end."
- Igor Stravinsky (1882-1971)
 

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
matter how small the hole is.
--
Vesty.
 

"Andrue Cope [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
would be to issue a patch for BCB6. What makes this waiting
and uncertainty more frustrating is struggling with an already
broken product. There are about a dozen bugs that could be
fixed that would alleviate that. The ones that affect the user
on a regular basis.
At any rate, having another community member on TeamB can
only be a positive thing. Good luck with that.
 

At 14:07:44, 09.06.2004, vavan wrote:
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of
their C programs." -- Robert Firth
 

At 14:02:58, 09.06.2004, Adam Versteegen wrote:
decisions about products before. So have other companies. Just because
the Edsel was a flop, Ford did not go under. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"My neighbour asked if he could use my lawnmower and I told him of
course he could, so long as he didn't take it out of my garden."
-- Eric Morecambe.
 

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
no more Borland for me' that we keep hearing around here is a hole to me.
Its most likely that its a far from fatal hole, but a hole all the same.
While its only really the C++ users that are getting a raw deal right now
(AFAIK) the general perception that C++ users have of Borland wont stay
contained to C++. As i've heard many times, 1 unhappy customer does more
damage than 10 happy ones make up for. There's a lot of unhappy c++ users
right now.
correcting things. I'm sure Ford went to significant lengths to convince
people that they should stick with Ford and that Ford products are what they
want/do what they want.
Right now, Borland may be furiously working on the above but are still
telling us diddly squat. For all we know they are just waiting for us all to
disappear. You can argue thats not the case because you have 'inside info'
but until we have the same we have pretty much nothing to go on.
--
Vesty.
 

Duane Hebert wrote:
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Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
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Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote:
Borland has no one to blame for the angry audience but themselves.
And if the angry audience became 'quiet', that would indicate to Borland
that there are no problems or concerns. It's actually beneficial that
the audience remain angry, and to indicate that anger to Borland, until
Borland responds by solving the problems that have caused that anger.
Per your previous comment about John, he is partially to blame for that,
so I have little pity in that regard. There have been discussions and
comments here for years, about how John's comments have been
'misinterpreted' (or not), generally with follow on comments about how
folks would rather have John continue to talk here than have him be more
careful with his language. Well, the price of not taking care with your
language is that you leave yourself open to mis-interpretation (or not
<G>), and this is the end result. Just because John doesn't deem it
necessary to care about that aspect of his communications doesn't make
it unimportant, it simply means he doesn't care about it. That is a
failing on John's part, not on the user community. Granted, John has
other positive traits that benefit the user community, but please don't
try and make the case that his communications skills on the newsgroups
couldn't be substantially improved, especially given his job function.
David Erbas-White
 

I agree that it is a little harsh. Considering what Danny said, I
believe him. Although it would have been nice if it was also posted in
the cbuilder list too.
<soapbox>
When you look at what Borland has right now in C* products, and
considering that is likely that Borland C products team is on the
small side (a guess at maybe 10 people), the delay of the open letter
makes sense. Consider what Borland has now: BCB6, BCBX, C# Builder
and don't forget Kylix, let alone the technologies like VCL, .NyET,
CLX, and whatever BCBX is using now. I would guess that they are
trying to combine the best of all worlds into a single WORKABLE
strategity. If this is the case, then the delay for the open letter
is very justifiable.
My guess that with all of the heat Borland has got over the years with
BCB5 and BCB6 problems (I don't know - they worked real well for me),
a new tact was called for (marketeers ?) and the result was BCBX.
Unfortunately without a path for VCL users to migrate to the BCBX
environment, Borland get a lot of heat for what appears to be an
incomplete product. Which, as it appears now that BCBX looks like a
failure. I call it a failure because Borland has back tracked and
unofficially announced that BCB is alive and soon to be well.
With the state of the original cross platform toolset, CLX, which
appears to be mostly dead (I hope not - I want Kylix to continue with
both technologies Delphi AND C++) and wxWidgets the new cross platform
toolset taking its place, how does one make all of the toolsets work
well with each other? Borland will get a lot of complaints if a
developer can't move from their current toolset to the future toolset
- whatever that may be.
If the C++ group at Borland makes a roadmap, which most likely would
look at least 5 years into the future, developers would want Borland
to live up to that "contract". And I believe that developers would
see it that way.
</soapbox>
Bob
On 9 Jun 2004 01:12:10 -0700, "Andrue Cope [TeamB]"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote: