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SATA vs EIDE


2005-09-21 01:59:27 AM
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Hello,
Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard
to make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA
drive from an EIDE drive.
Danzer
 
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Hello,
Quote
Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard
to make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA
drive from an EIDE drive.
I just upgraded my harddisks from EIDE to SATA and hoped for a performance
boost, but I recognized nothing, compile time of my projects is a few
seconds faster with an overall time of 3 Minutes. It seems that opening
project groups is more faster, maybe half of the time before.
Greetings,
Harald
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

"Harald Plontke" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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I just upgraded my harddisks from EIDE to SATA and hoped for a
performance
boost, but I recognized nothing, compile time of my projects is a few
seconds faster with an overall time of 3 Minutes. It seems that opening
project groups is more faster, maybe half of the time before.
Do you think that your compile times might be because your chip isn't fast
enough to take advantage of the SATA ?
Jonathan
 

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Re:SATA vs EIDE

Danzer wrote:
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Hello,

Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard
to make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA drive
from an EIDE drive.

Danzer
Most SATA drives are mechanical equal to there EIDE counter parts. The
continous transfer rate of a single disk is not high enough to take
advantage of SATA so only your burst rate may improve. If you want real
improvement consider a WD Raptor.
Eelke
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Danzer wrote:
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Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard
to make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA
drive from an EIDE drive.
Probably none of any significance. The bottleneck will be seek times
rather than throughput and the command protocal has no singificant
effect on those.
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote:
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command protocal has no singificant
^^^^^^^^
protocol
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Windows Vista supports a new disk type called Hybrid disk. It's a hard disk
loaded some memory (or flash mem) and reduce boot time to few seconds.
Gigabyte had a persistent ramdisk (PCI board) that support upto 4GB
diskspace. If you want instant disk response and had 32GB of RAM, get
Superspeed SuperVolume software to load your hdd into your RAM.
Getting fast compilation is akin to CPU power and making use of precompiled
headers. The few megabyte of files make little different with faster hdd.
Windows cached them in memory when you read them.
"Danzer" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
Hello,

Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard to
make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA drive from
an EIDE drive.

Danzer
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Well, some years ago (i guess it was around 98) we had the same
discussion here. Some Guy from Borland (yes thes used to care about
their customers some time ago) told us that compile times are affected
up to 77% by disk operations.
Cheers
Gunnar
tinyabs schrieb:
Quote
Windows Vista supports a new disk type called Hybrid disk. It's a hard disk
loaded some memory (or flash mem) and reduce boot time to few seconds.
Gigabyte had a persistent ramdisk (PCI board) that support upto 4GB
diskspace. If you want instant disk response and had 32GB of RAM, get
Superspeed SuperVolume software to load your hdd into your RAM.

Getting fast compilation is akin to CPU power and making use of precompiled
headers. The few megabyte of files make little different with faster hdd.
Windows cached them in memory when you read them.

"Danzer" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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>Hello,
>
>Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard to
>make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA drive from
>an EIDE drive.
>
>Danzer



 

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... compile times are affected up to 77% by disk ...
operations.
Things change. Hardware is not the same as it was in 1998. Back then a
significant if not majority of the users were running machines that had a 16
bit wide, 66 MHz channel for disk I/O.
Quote
... thes used to care about their customers ...
You are speaking of in-house developers. They still care. However there
now are fewer of them, each with a heavier workload. Welcome to the world
of 21st century business.
. Ed
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Gunnar Beushausen wrote in message
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Well, some years ago (i guess it was around 98) we had the same discussion
here. Some Guy from Borland (yes thes used to care about their customers
some time ago) told us that compile times are affected up to 77% by disk
operations.
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

That's was 98 using Win95/98 when 16Mb ram was alot.
"Gunnar Beushausen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
Well, some years ago (i guess it was around 98) we had the same discussion
here. Some Guy from Borland (yes thes used to care about their customers
some time ago) told us that compile times are affected up to 77% by disk
operations.

Cheers

Gunnar

tinyabs schrieb:
>Windows Vista supports a new disk type called Hybrid disk. It's a hard
>disk loaded some memory (or flash mem) and reduce boot time to few
>seconds. Gigabyte had a persistent ramdisk (PCI board) that support upto
>4GB diskspace. If you want instant disk response and had 32GB of RAM, get
>Superspeed SuperVolume software to load your hdd into your RAM.
>
>Getting fast compilation is akin to CPU power and making use of
>precompiled headers. The few megabyte of files make little different with
>faster hdd. Windows cached them in memory when you read them.
>
>"Danzer" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
>news:43304dbe$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Does anyone have any information on the perfomance gains with regard to
>>make/build times using C++Builder 6 if one upgraded to a SATA drive from
>>an EIDE drive.
>>
>>Danzer
>
>
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Ed Mulroy wrote:
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>... compile times are affected up to 77% by disk ...
>operations.


Things change. Hardware is not the same as it was in 1998. Back then a
significant if not majority of the users were running machines that had a 16
bit wide, 66 MHz channel for disk I/O.
Ed,
CPU speeds have increased much more rapidly than disk seek times. They've even
increased more rapidly than disk read speeds. I'd expect we are becoming more disk
bound, not less.
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

Hello,
Quote
Do you think that your compile times might be because your chip isn't fast
enough to take advantage of the SATA?
no, I agree with the others in this thread. Still I had a performance boost
at my last HD-update 3 years ago, when i changed from an old 40GB 5400 512MB
Cache Drive to a newer 120GB 7200 2MB cache (maybe 30%).
Greetings,
Harald
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

"Gunnar Beushausen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Well, some years ago (i guess it was around 98) we had the same
discussion here. Some Guy from Borland (yes thes used to care about
their customers some time ago)
Yeah, but it was WAY before 1998! (pre-1990, about when BC++ 4.x came out)
- Dennis
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

768MHz, 32 bit Front Side Bus vs 66 MHz, 16 bit
That's probably competitive on many machines to the increased throughput in
cpu's. Especially so if you consider how much more background/system
processing the cpu has to do these days with XP.
Also, do not make the mistake of thinking that the perceived speed of the
cpu will be the ratio of its current clock speed to what the speed was back
then.
I just don't think that most projects will be disk bound. Of course there
will be some, there always are some of most anything.
. Ed
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Randall Parker wrote in message
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>>... compile times are affected up to 77% by disk ...
>>operations.
>
>Things change. Hardware is not the same as it was in 1998. Back then a
>significant if not majority of the users were running machines that had a
>16 bit wide, 66 MHz channel for disk I/O.

CPU speeds have increased much more rapidly than disk seek times. They've
even increased more rapidly than disk read speeds. I'd expect we are
becoming more disk bound, not less.
 

Re:SATA vs EIDE

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Yeah, but it was WAY before 1998! (pre-1990, about
when BC++ 4.x came out)
Sorry, but BC++ 3.1 came out in 1992 at the same time as Windows 3.1. BC++
4 came out in 1995.
. Ed
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Dennis Jones wrote in message
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