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Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs


2006-05-09 08:12:18 AM
cppbuilder67
Maybe it's because this problems are not specific to my machine
setup. Are you saying that anyone who experiences problems with
this software should buy VMWare/VPC/Par. to troubleshoot it for
Borland [for free] and/or upgrade their system to something that is
more acceptable.
IIRC, BDS costs more than a new PC. If I thought my PC was
the problem, I would have saved my money and bought a new one
(with some very cool optional add-ons).
The problems I am having with BDS have already been commited to
Comedy Central, and others are also expressing their frustrations
with the product.
Adding to that, I will never be able to duplicate these problems I am
having with the software, because I flat out uninstalled it and will not
put it back on my machine until I know for a fact that those problems
are fixxed. When BDS has been updated to the status of "release-
quality", I will consider using it. Until then it will sit in that box at
the top
of my closet.
Thanks for your input, however useless it may have been.
Nate.
"Duane Hebert" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
message news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...


>According to TeamB I should *buy* VMWare or Virtual PC (or Parallels) and
>beta
>test Borland's software to find out why my computer (which exceeds system
>require-
>ments) does indeed have problems running this software. God forbid it be
>their code
>that is the problem. It must be my machine!

Don't really want to jump in here but ISTM that David Dean
was the one that recommended this course of action.
For whatever reason. I don't see any TeamB in his
sig.

Maybe you should just post the problems that you're having
and see if anyone else shares them. That would probably
be a good indication that it's not your box that's the
problem.

 
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

In article <445fdba8$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Mark Jacobs" <www.jacobsm.com/mjmsg.htm?Borland Newsgroup>wrote:
Quote
You sound like a Borland-biased Eliza program!
You've been spending too much time in bpot. ;)
--
-David
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

Mark Jacobs wrote:
Quote
"David Dean" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ... ... blah blah
blah ... You sound like a Borland-biased Eliza program!
That's precious...
--
Ken
planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/
* this is not a sig *
 

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Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

"David Dean" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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It means that this bug (27957) existed before (1857) it was fixed
back then, but that fix seems to have been lost. Why do you think that
1857 should be open? It was and is fixed in update 1.
So, the bug re-appeared in Update 2?
--
Mark Jacobs
jacobsm.com
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
Quote
The problems I am having with BDS have already been commited to
Comedy Central, and others are also expressing their frustrations
with the product.
If you mean QC, not under your posting name.
<qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx
r>
returns no results
--
-David
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

"David Dean" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Can you give us steps to reproduce the problems you are having? If
not, then why not? I am not kidding when I tell you that I have heard
from many people that a complete OS reinstall fixed all their BDS
instability problems.
With a complete re-install, I could possibly get Mac OS X to run! ;-)
--
Mark Jacobs
jacobsm.com
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

In article <445fdf21$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Mark Jacobs" <www.jacobsm.com/mjmsg.htm?Borland Newsgroup>wrote:
Quote
So, the bug re-appeared in Update 2?
Correct. That is what regression means.
--
-David
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

David,
No... I cannot. I totally uninstalled it.
" I am not kidding when I tell you that I have heard
from many people that a complete OS reinstall fixed all their BDS
instability problems."
Yes, I know what you mean. But if you read my earlier replies
you will see that that is not the case, for me, or some others. This
computer is the only computer that I use for software development
(out of 4 here, and not counting my Linux box with Kylix on it),
and I reformat and reinstall everything every 4-5 months.
I was in the Navy; a technician. I works on Fire Control systems.
Radars, Transmitters, Power Conversion Systems, UNIX Servers
and Workstations. I know how to troubleshoot both software and
hardware. I'm not the smartest person in the world, but I'm
definitely not stupid; or even ignorant, at that.
Drawing on my previous experiences, I have in fact restored a
Ghost image of my OS. It's RAW Windows XP Pro, with only
SP2 and applicable updates installed. No software, whatsoever.
I've tried installing BDS2006 first. It still leaks RAM, grinds my
computer to a halt occasionally, freezes up, has low performance when
switching desktops, etc. One day I spent over 7 hours installing and
wiping things. I've tried it with Bare BDS, BDS + Upd1, BDS + Upd1
then Upd2 , and BDS + Upd2 without first installing Upd1.
I'm definitely not installing it back, it's not worth my time.
It's still not the fault of the end user if Borland fails to adequately test
their software. In fact, an open-beta would have really worked nicely
by giving the software more exposure to more configurations of sytems
than just the very high end developer machines that alot of power-users
develop on. Even then, my computer is definitely not low end.
The problem is not with my computer, I have gone through the adequate
steps to assure myself of this. The problem is with their software.
It's buggy, and not deserving of anything other than a "Technology
Preview" title, IMHO.
Nate.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

"David Dean" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>The problems I am having with BDS have already been commited to
>Comedy Central, and others are also expressing their frustrations
>with the product.

If you mean QC, not under your posting name.

I don't commit things to "QC", I just look at it. From looking at it I know
(for a fact) that the buggs have been commited to it.
So.. Let me repeat that.
"The problems I am having with BDS have already been commited to
Comedy Central, and others are also expressing their frustrations
with the product."
Understand now?
Nate.
P.S. I use different computers, if you search through (even this thread)
you will see that my newsgroup clients are all set to similar (but
different)
posting names. The most common seem to be "Nate Walker", "Nathaniel
Walker", and "Nathaniel L. Walker". But nice of you to check. Example
below:
<snip>
"Nate Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
</snip>
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
Quote
I don't commit things to "QC", I just look at it. From looking at it I know
(for a fact) that the buggs have been commited to it.
Could you cite the report numbers? I might be able to nudge them
along if they're good reports.
--
-David
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

David Dean wrote:
Quote
In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>I don't commit things to "QC", I just look at it. From looking at it I know
>(for a fact) that the buggs have been commited to it.

Could you cite the report numbers? I might be able to nudge them
along if they're good reports.
David,
What I'd like to have nudged along is Boost compliance. It is still worse (by
measure of number of failed test) than it was for the 5.6.4 compiler.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

...
Okay since I seem to be a bit stubborn and unforgiving I will
do the *community* a favor by reinstalling BDS2006 and
(if the native client works) participating in these QC reporting
happenings. I will get the report numbers for you, accordingly.
Nate.
"David Dean" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Nathaniel L. Walker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>I don't commit things to "QC", I just look at it. From looking at it I
>know
>(for a fact) that the buggs have been commited to it.

Could you cite the report numbers? I might be able to nudge them
along if they're good reports.

--
-David

Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
Randall Parker < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
Quote
What I'd like to have nudged along is Boost compliance. It is still worse
(by
measure of number of failed test) than it was for the 5.6.4 compiler.
Are there any more boost related reports in QC that haven't been
opened yet? I thought I got them all...
--
-David
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

David Dean wrote:
Quote
In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
Randall Parker < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:


>What I'd like to have nudged along is Boost compliance. It is still worse
>(by
>measure of number of failed test) than it was for the 5.6.4 compiler.


Are there any more boost related reports in QC that haven't been
opened yet? I thought I got them all...
David,
I have no idea. I do not look at QC about Boost. I figure Borland's management can
look at Boost test suite results as easy as I can.
I see over 20 more failures in the 3rd column than in the 1st column here:
bcbboost.sourceforge.net/test/1_33_1-5_8_2-0.4/cs-win32.html
 

Re:Re: Borland cutting 300 jobs

Alan Bellingham wrote:
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"Frode Nilsen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>Could you please explain that good reason?
>The normal situation when you would like to do that is when there
>is a "flaw" in the original source for the rtl dll/bpl, you fix it
>up (because Borland needs 2-3 years to do that), recompile the
>thingy,
>distribute it with your app. Result ->your app, and all the bpl/dll
it
>uses have gotten rid of that silly memory allignment issue (or
>whatever the problem was).

If you start shipping modified versions of the RTL DLLs under the
original names, then you may break anything that links to the
originals.
You are assuming I install this modified dll's in some common folder,
like windows\system32.
I don't participate in that insane practice :) And I don't put my
application folders in the PATH environment variable. So the fix are
well contained?(I think the word is).
When using several third party components with/wihout source, there is
realy no option to rebuild/relink those to use other libraries. (Too
time consuming/impossible).
This is of course nothing I do on a regular basis, but when you have
to, you have to.
--
frode