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2004-09-18 01:44:46 AM
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Leroy Casterline < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
ships with the Intel compiler, but the Personal edition does not. As far
as having a "modern compiler", CBX integrates quite nicely with GCC (or
MinGW, if you're on windows). GCC/G++ (as of the 3.4.x series) has
achieved admirable conformance to the C++ standard. It's not the fastest
or most-tuned compiler in creation, but it's prefectly fine for about 90%
of most people's needs.
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"Harold Howe [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
I don't know if you saw it, but I asked a "eat your own dogfood" q. in
delphi.nontech, and Danny T replied....
... which is one damn good reason for Borland to continue to
develop/maintain BCB - even if just for in-house use.
- Roddy
 

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Harold,
We've been yelling at Borland for years with little apparent effect. Though the
release of the linker bug fix is amazing considering Borland upper management's
attitude toward BCB. So do you think it is worth bothering to plead to Borland any
longer?
Given that Borland isn't even working on BCB at this point the odds on another BCB
release are worse than I had thought they were. Maybe there will be one. Maybe not.
But probably not. Or maybe Borland will release a BCB version for .NET a couple of
yars from now. But I do not expect to care about .NET for years to come.
In any event, it doesn't seem like the minds of Borland's upper management can be
changed by the likes of us and the problem is with those upper managers.
So should we just let this forum section become a ghost town and move on?
Harold Howe [TeamB] wrote:

The future is BSDOV.
 

"Harold Howe [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote
case, there's no satisfaction in being proved right. They simply don't know
what the hell they're doing, and that's that. To me, it was obvious that
they were in "brain-donor mode" as soon as they started talking about
wxWidgets (nee wxWindows). Sigh.....
Dave
 

I believe that the C++ product line that we know and loved from Borland is
gone. Borland is now an IDE vendor, not a technology leader. With eclipse
and net beans getting better and better, soon JBuilder will start to feel
the pressure;
I have moved on to Open Watcom and the Intel Win32 and Linux compilers for
my production code. It seemed like to only move to make for me. My head
spins everytime I seem people looking for some hope. It reminds me of the
GM take over in Detroit when GM starting buying all the homes. They first
knocked down the churches and the rest fell. The same goes for C++Builder.
DEAD! R.I.P.
There is no way I could tell my company President that we should use Borland
products.
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"Harold Howe [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >escreveu na mensagem
that they don't know what is the major strategy to C++ that they'll
implement.
Or they know and did not want to tell us because the truth could be too
terrible!
All given signs of things being put on hold and top management role on this,
paints a big picture of a dark future to C++ inside Borland.
To show C++ under the umbrella of DiamondBack is a strong sign that IF C++
will have a future it'll be as a MS ONLY development tool and as a second
class tool from the Borland point of view.
After 2-3 months of the "last rumour" of an "Open Letter", I'm astonished to
see that NOTHING was decided to be announced at Borcon USA 2004!
No customer of any kind of product or service on Earth deserve the treatment
we, C++ Builder customers, are being submitted by Borland!
Saulo I. Regis
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"Saulo I. Regis" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
 

working on the next minor release, and planning and working on the next
major release.
The only C++ uncertainty relates to BCB (yes, yes, I know, its a huge
uncertainty). If BCB support continues, Borland will continue to have 2
C++ products.
Everyone gets it but the decision makers.
H^2
 

"Harold Howe [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
John Roberts
 

Hi Harold,
Sorry for correcting you, but indeed they mentioned that some coding
has been done at least as proof of concept, and they did demonstrate the
C++ personality in DB, they also stressed that they have been working
defining the road map, and the set of features to be implemented, so
"not actively working" may not match exactly the message they ware
trying to deliver.
Harold Howe [TeamB] wrote:

Harold Howe [TeamB] wrote:
free IDE's to be worth the expense.
Without a worthwhile compiler and a modern framework there's no reason
to choose Borland for a C++ solution. The only possible exception are
Together customers that develop in C++.
Cheers,
--
Nicola Musatti
Team Thai Kingdom
 

Randall Parker wrote:
this group.
Specifically this: word has spread that Borland's management was
impressed by the stories they heard from BCB users at Borcon. What
really caught their attention was the variety and importance of the apps
that are built in BCB. A few customers reported that although they are a
small shop, their BCB app is purchased by large fortune 100 companies,
or that their BCB software runs a huge power grid, or that a BCB app is
critical to some section of the government or the military.
The more stories like this that Borland hears, the better. If you have a
similar story, I suggest that you send it to Borland management from
Dale Fuller on down to George Pollini (misspelled most likely), and
everyone in between. I think a letter typed on company letterhead will
be most effective.
I am not going to tell you to wait until Dec 15th. You have to decide
that for yourself. However, this time, we have been given the word of
two high level managers in person that we will hear something by Dec 15.
While these people have certainly not earned our trust, this time there
is no hiding. They can't hide behind the walls of the building they
work. They have personally given their word that we will hear something.
If they aren't worth their word, then they aren't worth doing business with.
delphi 10 features right now, and that includes BCB. The decision to
support BCB or kill it will come as a result of the delphi 10 planning
process that follows the release of delphi 9.
When the facts are presented as I layed them out, it sounds like the
odds are against BCB. This is not an accurate representation.
customers describe how bad this is making Borland look in the enterprise
marketplace, and that large companines may choose not to do any business
with borland because of how borland treated a vendor of theirs... well
this gets managements attention.
H^2
 

the foundation of Delphi 8, Delphi 9, and on.
H^2