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Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop


2004-01-28 05:58:54 PM
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Hilton Evans wrote:
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"R.F. Pels" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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>Hilton Evans wrote:
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And the biggest part that they pay for is people, service and
specialty applications and not OS licenses. A small business is not
going to sweat
over the price of an OS license embedded in the cost of a
workstation.
The upfront cost savings for the OS is only part of the equation however.
What about the additonal software you must pirchase for WIndows, that is
free in Linux?
Office Suites, Databases, Email, Virus protection software, Bookkeeping
programs, Graphics programs, Publishing programs, etc. All of these cost
from MS, for Linux the cost is FREE.
 
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

JQP wrote:
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4) Ok, assume they have a name and address that they paid for. Then what?
They'll need a lot more to get a search warrant to look at someone's PC.
No they don't.. Just run any copy of Windows XP, They (MS) has a back door
into your computer any time they wish to use it (of course as long as it is
on the Internet).
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

Hilton Evans wrote:
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"R.F. Pels" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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>Ender wrote:
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>>RP>Cost. stability. Ease of remote maintenance. Choice. A better
>>RP>bargaining position when dealing with the commercial OS vendors.
>>
>>I'm curious, if Linux so cool and deffinitely better than Windows why
>>it is still not on desktop?
>
>Because of laziness, stupidity and the lack of audacity. 99% of
>businesses and consumers buy computers like cars. If it's shiny and
>nifty, they swallow it.

If that was true there would only be one or two types of car.

What you guys are failing to understand, is that the SWITCH is occuring. You
just refuse to see it.
Miami Dade County Government is swithcing out 6,000 Desktops to Linux in the
next few months, What is their goal? Ultimately, to replace all 15,000
government and school district Desktops with Linux.
Windows continues to lose Server and Desktop marketshare country by
Country, state by State, city by City, and Enteprise by Enterprise. They
are losing the Orient (China, Japan, and Korea), have lost Israel, losing
in India, Phillipines, etc.
I know of many schools districts across the US who have already switched,
since we are in that market. More are investigating the move every day as
well. Let's couple that with the Oracles of the world, Wall Street, Federal
Express, etc. of the US BUSINESS WORLD, who are switching.
In fact Sony just announced that their embedded business may very well go to
Linux entirely in the next couple of years. Many of their newer devices are
already running Linux. Think what happens when (they have already announced
this) when the Play Station goes Linux? How hard will it be to port the
games to Opteron Linux based desktops then?
Do you actually think if these businesses, governments, and schools start
the migration that others will not follow?
Most of the "Windows only crowd" said the exact same thing about Windows
Servers verses Linux servers just a couple of years ago. I bet a quick trip
to Google will reveal how wrong they were in their post then, and it will
reveal, in aother two years, how wrong they are this time as well.
NOTE: I am not saying MS Desktops and Servers will go away completely any
time soon, if ever, either.
However, if MS loses 10% more of the server market and/or 30% of the Desktop
market, you can bet there will be a radical shift in the way the IT
industry looks and works. You can also bet that the only hope NET would
have, is if Mono can get it to work correctly and make it robust enough to
compete with Java (which is doubtful).
Of course, some of this looks promising for the IT world, and especially
consumers, but some of it is frightening for programmers and Network
Systems engineers as well (even those who are not "Redmond cultist" <G>).
 

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Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

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>4) Ok, assume they have a name and address that they paid for. Then
>what?
>They'll need a lot more to get a search warrant to look at someone's
>PC.
p>No they don't.. Just run any copy of Windows XP, They (MS) has a back
p>door into your computer any time they wish to use it (of course as
p>long as it is on the Internet).
What back door? There is service account, but it disabled.
 

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service account ... disabled.
<ggg>
 

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Office Suites, Databases, Email, Virus protection software, Bookkeeping
programs, Graphics programs, Publishing programs, etc. All of these cost
from MS, for Linux the cost is FREE.
Many of these programs ar available foe Windows, too. I do use
OpenOffeic/Win. I seem to remember that there is Gimp for Win, ...
-Michael
 

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Michael Schnell wrote:
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>Office Suites, Databases, Email, Virus protection software, Bookkeeping
>programs, Graphics programs, Publishing programs, etc. All of these cost
>from MS, for Linux the cost is FREE.

Many of these programs ar available foe Windows, too. I do use
OpenOffeic/Win. I seem to remember that there is Gimp for Win, ...

-Michael
Some, but not all..
 

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>service account ... disabled.
Michael Schnell wrote:
<ggg>
What?
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

Ender schrieb:
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>>service account ... disabled.

Michael Schnell wrote:
><ggg>

I think it's highly hilarious to think that simply disabling the service
account could prevent Microsoft from accessing the system. They _are_
able to do more sophisticated backdoors.
-Michael
 

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MS>I think it's highly hilarious to think that simply disabling the
MS>service account could prevent Microsoft from accessing the system.
MS>They _are_ able to do more sophisticated backdoors.
So you being based on the assumption that theoretically Microsoft can insert
a backdoor, assert that the door is already inserted? Funny. :-) Is there
evidence that someone from Microsoft tried to enter into customer system
wihtout permission?
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

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So you being based on the assumption that theoretically Microsoft can insert
a backdoor, assert that the door is already inserted? Funny. :-) Is there
evidence that someone from Microsoft tried to enter into customer system
wihtout permission?
I did not read about "someone" (a person) doing so, but there are a lot
of stories about automatic processes sending information "home" and
updates doing things the user did not intend. I don't have any personal
experience.
-Michael
 

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So you being based on the assumption that theoretically Microsoft can insert
a backdoor, assert that the door is already inserted? Funny. :-) Is there
evidence that someone from Microsoft tried to enter into customer system
wihtout permission?
Even if there is no evidence there is no evidence for the contrary
either. Only users of open source software are (theoretically) able to
make sure that nothing like that happens.
-Michael
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

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>So you being based on the assumption that theoretically Microsoft can
>insert a backdoor, assert that the door is already inserted? Funny. :-)
>Is there evidence that someone from Microsoft tried to enter into
>customer system wihtout permission?
Michael Schnell wrote:
I did not read about "someone" (a person) doing so, but there are a lot
of stories about automatic processes sending information "home" and
updates doing things the user did not intend.
Exactly what things?
List of installed microsoft software? Serial numbers? List of registered
ActiveX components and/or versions of DLLs? Upgrading libraries while user
think that it should not be upgraded? I don't see anything bad in it.
Or they sending, for example, copies of address books? Or maybe your ISP
password? Or contents of something from %USERPROFILE%\My Documents?
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I don't have any personal experience.
As much of other people.
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

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>So you being based on the assumption that theoretically Microsoft can
>insert a backdoor, assert that the door is already inserted? Funny. :-)
>Is there evidence that someone from Microsoft tried to enter into
>customer system wihtout permission?
Michael Schnell wrote:
Even if there is no evidence there is no evidence for the contrary
either. Only users of open source software are (theoretically) able to
make sure that nothing like that happens.
Well... for example nntpcache... open source... their server put special
header in each outcoming message. They scanning newsgroups and then start
harrasing me personally with demand: or obtain license or prove that i'm
use it for not commercial activity.
I'm not say anything against nntpcache creators, i'm just trying to point on
hardcoded features of open sourced program that:
a) set marker in document
b) create MSGID that may identify user and his PC among others
... and funny thing, they forge MSGID in certain way so my host was
immediately attacked with HUGE amount of spam messages.
That was my personal expirience, instead of rumors.
 

Re:Re: 2004 - Year of Linux Desktop

Ender < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
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Well... for example nntpcache... open source... their server put
You should have modified nntpcache to not incoude the special header.
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Iman