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Re: Delphi - Kylix - .NET - Linux


2004-01-03 04:51:30 AM
kylix1
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Eventually, it all boils down to economic philosophy.

Which produces a healthier economic environment --- capitalism or
socialism?
At the lowest, most simplistic level, this is what we're talking about.

No doubt you can find isolated examples to support either position.

I think you're pushing it a little too far.
But yes, to some extent it is about introducing some balance into the
system.
Didier
 
 

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"Iman L Crawford" <ilcrawford.at.hotmail.dot.com>wrote in message
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Linux has centralised control over his version of the kernel. anyone can
have their own version if they like.
Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
 

Re:Re: Delphi - Kylix - .NET - Linux

make a good Kylix Version 4, thats all ...
lol
Prometheus
 

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The most visible current examples of distributed control exist in the
Middle
East where anyone that has a weapon is the equal of anyone else and
there is
no central control. Is this the model that you are supporting?
what happens in the Middle East is based on "Central Control",
unfortunately ...
Normally the people there would live together in freedom.
Today there could be not ONE WAR in the world without "Central Control",
or better some "Central Controls", if you wish ONE central control,
there is only one, that could help: UNO, but based on pluralism and
democratics, not based on cowboy-countries with leaders that live mental
in the 18th century ...
cheers
Prometheus
 

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"JQP" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:3ff6016b$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM :
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Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
It just is.
--
Iman
"Tragedy is when I stub my toe.
Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die."
 

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Gentlemen,
Please take this discussion to off-topic.
--
Nick Hodges (TeamB)
Lemanix Corporation - (www.lemanix.com)
 

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MS changes from win32 to .Net, okay, we can nothing do against it ...
We can discuss, if this is a good way or not, i personally think not,
and there are many reasons for thinking so ...
.NET offers the opportunity to create executable programs ("assemblies")
that run on a virtual OS (".NET framework") and _in_theory_ .Net
frameworks can be created for running on any OS (Windows <.NET included
in new versions>, Windows CE, Linux <MONO, GNU.NET>, Mac<??>, IBM
mainframe <surely coming>, ...). Multiple CPU architectures (in Linux:
anyway and in Windows we now see upcoming 64 Bit processors) is a
non-issue for the compiler company as the Framework deals with that.
Chances are that .NET is a way to create _closed_source_ programs on
Linux. This might be a market especially for Borland, as supposedly
assemblies created with microsoft tools will (by MS intend) have more
difficulties to run on non MS OSes.
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And Kylix?
Considering this Kylix is quite obsolete.
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If Borland is analysing there business, they see the two
worlds: The "Microsoft way" and the "Linux way".
Not necessarily: see above.
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1) The Delphi-chief-developer was going to Microsoft (okay his decision)
(and i never heared from him, where is he? what he is doing now?)
He created the basics of .NET. Thus .NET is much more "Delphi-aware"
than C++ aware, using many concepts introduced by Delphi. (The .NET
virtual CPU language ("CIL") can be considered an intermediate compiler
output of Delphi before the processor specific code generation).
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Now we can see following:
1) Borland supports 100% the new Microsoft way (.NET, Longhorn, usw.)
Of course
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2) Kylix (the Unix-world) is no longer developed
Supposedly. But for technical reasons, too. Supporting the moving target
"linux distributions" and multiple CPU architectures seems much more
work than supporting .NET which _hopefully_ reaches some kind of steady
state.
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The best way for Borland would be:
ONE DELPHI, for win23, .NET and LINUX!
That would be best for Borland's customers. But a lot of work for
Borland (e.g. multiple CPU architectures <even in Windows>).
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With a price, so also small companies and developers can buy it!
It's very hard to complete in the Linux market that is used to free
tools.
-Michael
 

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That would decimate the software industry as a
money-churning machine, quite likely leaving large numbers of people
without work.
Let's prohibit excavators and have them use shovels. This will create
work for many people <g>.
-Michael
 

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I am dreaming about a new Delphi, that support .NET, win32, LINUX and
perhaps other OS, like the Macintosh. How long can we wait till this new
Delphi? Till the end of 2007? I think NO!

_In_theory_ this is already possible.
You can use Delphi .NET to create a CIL assembly and then use the
appropriate Framework tool (this _does_ exist as well in Windows .NET as
in MONO) to create a platform specific executable.
Borland could recreate or tweak this tool (quite easy for the open
source MONO) to be more effective for Delphi generated assemblies could
improve this method.
-Michael