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Re: seen on cnn


2003-11-05 10:49:51 PM
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Pete Gajria wrote:
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amusingly enough ...

www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/index.html

so much for the linux naysayers in the group

hey its still unix & it still works, just beacuse its open doesnt make it
bad from a technical standpoint it gives us all a chance to learn much more
about os's


So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
Kylix? Surely it would generate sufficient income to purchase
Hausladen's patches <g>Oh.. I forgot... there is no market for
Kylix, and governments don't like to spent money for software...
right? <g>
 
 

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amusingly enough ...
www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/index.html
so much for the linux naysayers in the group
hey its still unix & it still works, just beacuse its open doesnt make it
bad
from a technical standpoint it gives us all a chance to learn much more
about os's
 

Re:Re: seen on cnn

you do realize that as governmnet opensource would make much more sense
either gpl or the bsd license
its not the cost issue here but a matter of security.
would the u.s government buy ms if it was made by a chinese company
btw i tend to favour openbsd over linux simply beacuse i like their approach
to coding & security
"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Pete Gajria wrote:
>amusingly enough ...
>
>www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/index.html
>
>so much for the linux naysayers in the group
>
>hey its still unix & it still works, just beacuse its open doesnt make
it
>bad from a technical standpoint it gives us all a chance to learn much
more
>about os's
>
>


So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
Kylix? Surely it would generate sufficient income to purchase
Hausladen's patches <g>Oh.. I forgot... there is no market for
Kylix, and governments don't like to spent money for software...
right? <g>





 

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JQP wrote:
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Don't they teach political systems in school any more?


Who are they? Teach whom? Who in your opinion is not educated ? It
makes a rather poor argument in any discussion and your opinions
virtually worthless.
 

Re:Re: seen on cnn

Hilton Evans wrote:
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"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news:3fa97bcf$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
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>So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
>now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
>Kylix?


What makes you think they don't already have half a million *copies*?

I know they don't. Kylix is not very much popular in China comparing
to other countries and yes, there is a software piracy in many
countries but I wouldn't be so quick and accuse any government of it.
We are talking here about a government as a customer. Governments of
any country normally just purchase software and hardware in a legal
manner, it is simpler, and they have the money to do so a specially
when a cost of software is a very very insignificant part of the
country spending budged.
 

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juliusz wrote:
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So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right now;
selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of Kylix?
Surely it would generate sufficient income to purchase Hausladen's
patches <g>Oh.. I forgot... there is no market for Kylix, and
governments don't like to spent money for software... right? <g>

<g>..they could buy Hausladen's patches for $3 to sell them as K4.... ;-)
 

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JQP wrote:
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"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...

>Who are they? Teach whom? Who in your opinion is not educated ? It
>makes a rather poor argument in any discussion and your opinions
>virtually worthless.


About as worthless as any "discussion" of selling software to the Chinese
government.


I am not encouraging you in participating in such discussion or any
other discussion to badmouth Kylix/Linux.
 

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Ioan Ghip wrote:
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So, after china saw the windows code they want linux? <g>

zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-990526.html

Well, if Microsoft thinks that selling to the Chinese government
software is not a bad idea, then it with certainty supports my opinion
that Borland should at least attempt to do the same with Kylix,
after all, Bill Gates is a master in this and he does know a lot about
selling software. Doesn't he ? On the other hand, we don't know if
this would damage the current friendship between these to companies.
 

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Iman L Crawford wrote:
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"JQP" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM :
>No surprise that Open Source and the Chinese government have a great
>deal in common in terms of ideology and philosophy.


No they don't. One is distrubited control and the other is centralized
control. I'd say proprietary software and Chinese goverment have more in
common.

Precisely, a totalitarian government is a form of total monopoly on
all an every aspect of its subjects lives, at very much similar way
like monopoly of one corporation on a particular area of market. Both
entities are bad in nature since both are destructive to the free
market economy.
 

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"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news:3fa97bcf$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
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Pete Gajria wrote:
>amusingly enough ...
>
>www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/05/china.linux.reut/index.html
>
>so much for the linux naysayers in the group


So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
Kylix?
What makes you think they don't already have half a million *copies*?
--
Hilton Evans
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ChemPen Chemical Structure Software
www.chempensoftware.com
 

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>So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
>now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
>Kylix?
Hilton Evans wrote:
What makes you think they don't already have half a million *copies*?
... and probably for free. :-)
 

Re:Re: seen on cnn

"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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So, shouldn't be someone from Borland on a plane to Beijing, right
now; selling to the Chinese government a half of a million copies of
Kylix?
Why should they buy half a million copies when one will do?
The concept of intellectual property isn't recognized in China. According
to their communist/socialist philosophy, all such property belongs to the
people.
Legally, once the intellectual property is inside their border, they "own"
it. Paying for copies of something that you "own" doesn't make much sense
does it?
Don't they teach political systems in school any more?
 

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"JQP" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news:3fa97bcf$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
Legally, once the intellectual property is inside their border, they "own"
it. Paying for copies of something that you "own" doesn't make much sense
Thank god the US will never sink this low. Free trade in MP3's, digital movies, and assorted warez doesn't really exist. It's just an illusion.
 

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"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Who are they? Teach whom? Who in your opinion is not educated ? It
makes a rather poor argument in any discussion and your opinions
virtually worthless.
About as worthless as any "discussion" of selling software to the Chinese
government.
 

Re:Re: seen on cnn

"JQP" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM :
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No surprise that Open Source and the Chinese government have a great
deal in common in terms of ideology and philosophy.
No they don't. One is distrubited control and the other is centralized
control. I'd say proprietary software and Chinese goverment have more in
common.
--
Iman