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Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian


2003-08-05 07:59:08 PM
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"Rosimildo da Silva" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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juliusz wrote:

>Novell, LANs and WANs are inseparable terms .. ;-)

Microsoft, Virus and Reboots are inseparable terms. <g>

And have been around since 1975.
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Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

PhilO wrote:
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>The market wanted GUI interface ?we have this, now market wants
>secure and inexpensive network computing environment ?Linux.


Could be. The biggest problem I see are non-tech managers that love
the name Microsoft and therefore command the tech managers under
them to use "the best" and that being M$. Then again M$'s lan manager
and Win NT were slow out of the starting blocks, but gained steam over
time.


That's true; any significant changes will always encounter opposition,
this is I guess in human nature.;-) Paradigm changes are even harder
and take time.
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Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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JQP wrote:
>Since about 1990 or so, Novell has been mostly famous for their
steadily
>declining revenues and user base ... down 15-20% or so last
year.
>


Well, I guess they where making room in anticipation of acquiring
Linux technology some day. :-) Novell, is famous for being a pure
technology company, so no hype, no smoke and mirrors, no big PR
spending .. what's count the most is that they did a lot of good
for
computer industry and for people in general. In the same time
they
earned their money the hard way, in dollars and euros not enrons..
Which is why Novell Office dominates the office software market.
right?
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Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

"juliusz" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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While you may be referring to the success of Microsoft Office, we
cannot just simply disregard that Novell had great success in the area
of networking.
The key word being *had*, not has.
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What is important? Novell as well many other computer related
businesses will have the opportunity to compete on a fair basis, just
because of Linux.
LOL! If MS gives software away, it's unfair. When Open Source does the
same but to a far greater extreme, it's fair.
Novell will have the opportunity to compete against Open Source on a "fair"
basis. It'll be most interesting to see how well this works.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

J>LOL! If MS gives software away, it's unfair. When Open Source does
J>the same but to a far greater extreme, it's fair.
Of course when people trying to fight against a tank they will complain that
it is unfair. When this tank will be put in the swamp (and without cannon
and machinegun shells) they consider that it is fair. :-)
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

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The market wanted GUI interface ?we have this, now market wants
secure and inexpensive network computing environment ?Linux.
Could be. The biggest problem I see are non-tech managers that love
the name Microsoft and therefore command the tech managers under
them to use "the best" and that being M$. Then again M$'s lan manager
and Win NT were slow out of the starting blocks, but gained steam over
time.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

JQP wrote:
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The Open Source approach is to give away everything and make your
neighborhood so poor that noone will ever want to invade.

Actually, it is not the open source approach, perhaps it is just your
understanding of the open source approach and goals? But your take on
it doesn't make it so. ;-)
The neighborhood becomes poor, when there is only one software vendor
who supplies so much needed software for ridiculously high prices,
software with questionable quality; because they can. The software
vendor can charged any prices they want because the customer does not
have much choice; he is locked in the vendor solution or there is only
one vendor in the neighborhood and the vendor really doesn't care if
you have a virus on your system or you will suffer expenses in effort
to recreate your lost business data, business interruptions and so
on.. What they care is to sale to you another "greater" version of
the same software for ever higher prices and further increase your
dependency on them. Eventually what is happening that the software
vendor is draining so much money from the region to the point that
there is no any chance for any development at all, or to pay employees
wages. That's poor.
What open source does? Open source provides only possible (because of
a barrier to enter situation ) alternative "a competitor" and just
by being there, the whole situation magically is changing; the big
software vendor has to start thinking about quality, offer reasonable
pricing, and think about security, they have to make their products
better. Thanks to the open source the neighborhood becomes richer and
the technological progress and innovation is rejuvenated, that's the
power of healthy competition... and that's the imminent role of the
open source software..
juliusz
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Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

Ender wrote:
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j>Not bad, not bad at all; Danny Thorpe from Borland said that "Kylix
j>is the #1 most-used IDE for Linux application development. Period."
j>and that "Kylix achieved a major share of that market within only a
j>few months of its first release, and it has maintained that top
j>position ever since."

:-)))) IMHO, complete {*word*99}. Of course they asked "right" bunch of people to
produce "right" results. The most used IDE for Linux application development
GCC/EMACS.

That's the role of the correctly working PR department I guess. People
criticized in the past Borland for bad marketing, now for a good
marketing it is sort of “no win?situation, I guess. ;-) It sound
really good thought. I really don't mind, if Borland sales as many
boxes of Kylix they can, if more then better... then they will have
enough money to fix things ;-)
juliusz
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Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

"Ender" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Of course when people trying to fight against a tank they will complain
that
it is unfair. When this tank will be put in the swamp (and without cannon
and machinegun shells) they consider that it is fair. :-)
The Open Source approach is to give away everything and make your
neighborhood so poor that noone will ever want to invade.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

j>Not bad, not bad at all; Danny Thorpe from Borland said that "Kylix
j>is the #1 most-used IDE for Linux application development. Period."
j>and that "Kylix achieved a major share of that market within only a
j>few months of its first release, and it has maintained that top
j>position ever since."
:-)))) IMHO, complete {*word*99}. Of course they asked "right" bunch of people to
produce "right" results. The most used IDE for Linux application development
GCC/EMACS.
j>Personally, I think it is a terrific tool, and I am looking forward
j>to the next purchase of Kylix 4. ;-)
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

juliusz < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, wrote these words of
incredible wisdom:
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JQP wrote:
>Like Borland did with Kylix? How's it working out so far?
>


Not bad, not bad at all; Danny Thorpe from Borland said that "Kylix
is the #1 most-used IDE for Linux application development. Period."
He is sadly mistaken.
Emacs is the most used IDE for Linux development.
Vi follows close behind.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

juliusz wrote:
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That's the role of the correctly working PR department I guess. People
criticized in the past Borland for bad marketing, now for a good
marketing it is sort of ?no win? situation, I guess. ;-)
Let they don't lie to themselves. Of course it is pleasing to think that
your product is #1 amongst others, but this just has little common with
reality.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:09:23 +0600, Ender wrote:
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The most used IDE for Linux application development
GCC/EMACS.
The question is how you define RAD, isn't it?
IMHO emacs is not RAD, its just a stupid editor with add-ons ;-)
johannes
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

Johannes Berg < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >, wrote these words of
incredible wisdom:
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On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:09:23 +0600, Ender wrote:

>The most used IDE for Linux application development
>GCC/EMACS.

The question is how you define RAD, isn't it?
IMHO emacs is not RAD, its just a stupid editor with add-ons ;-)
RAD was not mentioned in the initial post.
Just " most used IDE for Linux application development" .
It obviously is not Kylix.
 

Re:Re: Novell acquires Linux company Ximian

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:45:33 +1000, F. wrote:
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RAD was not mentioned in the initial post.

Just " most used IDE for Linux application development" .
Whoops, my mistake.
johannes