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Peter Nunn
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Peter Nunn
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The (SAD) future of Kylix2003-10-31 06:05:37 AM kylix2 Anyone interested in the future of Kylix should get themselfs over to the BCX news groups (if not already), particularly non-technical and read the 'letter' that has been published by Borland on the future of C++ in Borland and the discussion that is following. I'm afraid, from my reading of it, that Kylix is as dead and smelly as we all have already concluded. VERY disappointing.... Perer Nunn. |
BoBo
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2003-10-31 08:19:59 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
As RandChris mentioned in an earlier topic this affects Kylix C++
developers "only". I hope the Delphi part will not be abandoned though (despite the total lack of official bug fixes since Kylix 1.0). Peter Nunn wrote: QuoteAnyone interested in the future of Kylix should get themselfs over to |
Trane Francks
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2003-10-31 10:35:47 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
On 10/31/03 09:19 +0900, BoBo wrote:
QuoteAs RandChris mentioned in an earlier topic this affects Kylix C++ "Octane and Delphi Q&A" Note the following two statements: 1 - What is Octane? Octane is the code name for the next release of Borland? DelphiTM. Octane is an integrated development environment planned for building new Delphi applications on .NET and to assist in migrating existing Win32 Delphi applications to .NET. 2 - Will the Octane release include Delphi 7? Yes, the Octane release will include Delphi 7. This will provide all Delphi developers with the highest level of compatibility between .NET and Win32. == end snippet == It would seem that Octane itself will not produce standard Win32 apps; otherwise, bundling Delphi 7 wouldn't be necessary. That leads one to believe that Kylix 3 will remain the current native-code Kylix and that any new versions would be geared toward .NET. QuotePeter Nunn wrote: available to me. trane -- //------------------------------------------------------------ // Trane Francks XXXX@XXXXX.COM Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. // mp3.com/trane_francks/ {smallsort} |
Michael Schnell
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2003-10-31 07:44:18 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of KylixQuote>I'm afraid, from my reading of it, that Kylix is as dead and smelly as platform independent code that runs on Linux on whatever CPU (e.g. with the "Mono" .NET Framework installed on the target machine) and automatically supports the upcoming 64 Bit PCs decently (provided the OS and the Framework does supports this appropriately). Delphi always was written in Delphi and was able to compile itself, so I suppose a future release of the Delphi IDE will run on the .NET virtual machine and thus will be platform independent (or available in multi-platform versions), too. While C++ code needs to be ported to C#, which is said to be not an easy task, Delphi code is supposed to be portable to .NET without much hustle, as C# (created by the inventor of Delphi) is something like a Delphi clone with C syntax. Thus it makes sense for Borland to concentrate all its forces on Octane. Delphi for W32 (compiled projects also runnable on WIN64) does exist in a decent state. It stays sellable without updates for a while. Kylix only supports IA32 Linux and with that it is considered to be quite crippled in that world. So moving the Delphi-language Kylix users to a future Octane version makes a lot of sense, while upgrades to Kylix looks like having no more than short term effects. -Michael |
RandChris
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2003-10-31 11:03:25 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
This is assuming a lot. I agree that a mono on Linux would be an
option, however, Borland has not mentioned anything about using Mono. They have ignored most posts. I stopped all Kylix development sometime ago. I don't even try it on newer OS implementations. It will be difficult to trust Borland in the Linux arena again as they have provided no direction on this. Michael Schnell wrote: Quote>>I'm afraid, from my reading of it, that Kylix is as dead and smelly as |
Ken Halliwell
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2003-11-01 01:44:09 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
Michael Schnell < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
[snip] QuoteThus it makes sense for Borland to concentrate all its forces on Octane. the past few days of monitoring the various Borland newsgroups. I believe there is a market for Linux RAD tools. For Linux developers, BCB for Linux was most attractive; but, as many stated, it was not well supported. Perhaps CBX will provide a better pathway -- at least it's not IA32 bound. IMHO, the best hope for running Delphi code on Linux is for MONO to succeed as a true and complete dotNet layer for Linux. Meanwhile, I think Borland should direct its scarce resources to other projects -- as painful as this may be for Kylix users. Of course, Kylix 3 remains available for those who find it useful. But IMO, this pathway for Linux RAD tools will be eventually closed as the new pathway gains acceptance. I expect we'll hear more from Borland on this matter within the next few weeks. Hopefully, it will satisfy most people. It's impossible to satisfy everyone. kjh |
Willibald Krenn
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2003-11-01 02:27:05 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
Hi!
Miguel de Icaza., lead developer of Mono, asked for support in getting Delphi.NET executables running on the Mono platform in a posting on the Mono devel list back in september. See lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-devel-list/2003-September/002120.html Second mentioning of Delphi.NET was in lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-winforms-list/2003-September/000482.html " Also, by going the Wine path, we will be able to run applications written in Delphi.NET using the Delphi GUI toolkit (hopefully with little or no changes)." So I guess there are some things going on behind the scenes - well, at least I hope so. ;-) Willi "RandChris" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >schrieb im Newsbeitrag QuoteThis is assuming a lot. I agree that a mono on Linux would be an |
Ioan Ghip
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2003-11-01 02:33:54 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27839.html
"Scotts Valley, California-based Borland is investigating use of Ximian Inc's Project Mono in Kylix, as a possible means for Windows developers to move .NET applications to Linux. Mono is an open-source implementation of .NET libraries and other technologies developed by Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft Corp. " -ioan |
BoBo
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2003-11-05 02:13:53 AM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
A lot of people raised their concerns regarding Mono, especially
the possible reaction of Microsoft to it down the road in the next couple of years (IP issues, etc.). And the total lack of communication in this regard (future/support of Kylix, Mono, etc.) from Borland in the past years did not help to calm down the worries either. Ken Halliwell wrote: QuoteMichael Schnell < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote: |
BoBo
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2003-11-05 04:20:12 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
OK, as new information came in today from the people participating
in BorCon now, we can get rid of all doubts now. Kylix will not be dealt with this year or in the next (2003 or 2004). The earliest update or new release will be in 2005 if ever based on the information posted in these newsgroups today. Borland suggests using other tools than Kylix (C++BuilderX, etc.). BoBo wrote: QuoteA lot of people raised their concerns regarding Mono, especially |
Michael Schnell
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2003-11-12 04:52:50 PM
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QuoteMeanwhile, I think Borland should direct its scarce resources -Michael |
Michael Schnell
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2003-11-12 04:55:16 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of KylixQuoteA lot of people raised their concerns regarding Mono, especially make their assemblies "mono compatible". -Michael |
Andreas Prucha
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2003-11-12 09:50:34 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
Michael Schnell < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
QuoteI suppose Microsoft will see that Mono will have problems running small "open" part, and re-implement and/or work-around the proprietary MS parts. IMO .NET is as cross-platform as Win32: There are implementations of Win32 on other platforms (see winelib), but this does not make it a real-cross-platform environment. |
JQP
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2003-11-12 11:14:57 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
"Michael Schnell" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
QuoteI suppose Microsoft will see that Mono will have problems running |
Iman L Crawford
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2003-11-12 11:24:44 PM
Re:The (SAD) future of Kylix
"JQP" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:3fb251a1$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM :
QuoteIn order for MS to do as you suggest, they'll have to violate the Iman |